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[theweaselking]

US supreme court rules, 5-4 on strict line between faith-based and fact-based judges, that law banning abortion in the USA after the first trimester is legal and does not need to contain any exceptions for the health of the mother.

The 5 faith-based judges ignored all actual medical testimony in the matter to reach this conclusion, reversing the unanimous decision of the original court and the appeal court who looked at the facts and saw that the law clearly violated the rights of the mothers.

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[torrain.livejournal.com]

So.
Not.
Going.
South.

[chizzer.livejournal.com]

May someone explain WHY there are faith-based judges in the Supreme Court?

[scifantasy.livejournal.com]

Because there are faith-based politicians in power.

Because there are faith-based voters.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Because judges are appointed by politicians, politicians are sluts for a buck and a vote, and fact-based thinking is unpopular and in short supply in the USA among the people who DO pay and vote.

Since appointing REAL judges requires convictions and costs votes, politicians don't do it.

And that's why, of the 9 judges on the US court, 3 are guaranteed to *never* vote based on the facts of the case when they have preconceptions on the matter and 2 will only *sometimes* vote on the facts of the case when they have preconceptions on the matter.

[pope-guilty.livejournal.com]

Because America is a shithole run by a coalition of corrupt businessmen and religious fanatics.

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

Women are incubators then. Even their health means nothing so long as they pop out babies.

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

Because running on a policy of "screw the poor, give me all your money I want an eigth yatch to match the cat" isn't going to win any votes.

So you slap a cross and some bible verses on your politics and you get a loyal base of people.

[spartonian.livejournal.com]

Is it really that hard to decide whether or not to terminate a pregnancy in the first 3 months?

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

There's a reason why "going South" is a euphemism for being fucked up, it seems.

OT: Loving Bellwether; thanks!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

It's often hard to know you're pregnant in the first 3 months, and then in the USA there's often a mandatory wait time on an abortion after a required consultation with a nonmedical antiabortion activist who has no requirement to tell you the truth about anything, even assuming you can *find* anyone to perform an abortion.

And this can often take you beyond the 3-month mark without even trying.

Here's a comparison you would probably empathise with: Imagine if you have your full Second Amendment rights to own a gun, but you still can't *get* a gun because nobody sells them without:
1) A government permit that expires two months after you get it, but you don't get to know exactly when that permit begins.
2) A long trip in person to the only place in the surrounding 3 states that will sell you a gun, at vastly inflated prices.
3) A consultation with an anti-gun activist who will show you a million government-approved "facts" and pictures to show why guns are the root of all evil.
4) A 7-week waiting period after #3, then another long trip in person to go get the gun.

And now, imagine that all of this isn't just a toy you're getting, it's a hugely important part of your life that's going to stay with you, one way or another, permanently, and carries severe health risks if you *don't* get the procedure and moderate ones if you do get it.

You have a right to an abortion in the USA. You just can't get one in a lot of places if you're not rich.

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

You may be overstating the actual significance of the judgement. Para. 2.c.i of the judgement syllabus states, "... Interpreting the Act not to prohibit standard D&E is the most reasonable reading and understanding of its terms."

Could someone with relevant medical knowledge explain when and why intact D&E is considered preferable to "standard" D&E?

Personally, I oppose abortion in all but a very limited class of circumstances, but the law under discussion seems based more on squeamishness than on principle.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I don't think we'd have a lot of disagreement on it, really - my position is still "abortion should be safe, legal, available, free, and rare"

[spartonian.livejournal.com]

Hard to know despite bigger/sensitive boobs, changes in menstration, odd changes in appetite, moods swings, morning sickness, and probably lots of other things I don't know about?

I'm not asking to be difficult, I genuinely don't know.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

#1: Most of those don't come quite that early, and some don't come at all.

#2: One of the other common symptoms is spotting of blood during implantation - which basically looks like menstruation, sticking you with ANOTHER month where you probably figure you've just got a bad cold.

Some people can tell in a week. Some people get surprised after a few months.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

Um, it doesn't ban ALL abortions after the 1st trimester. It's a specific ban on the Intact Dialation and Extraction method aka "partial birth abortion"(gotta love scare-monger language).

[themightyx.livejournal.com]

God Bless the USA. Makes one want to pack the bags and head to China. At least there a person KNOWS they're not free, rather than being told you ARE free and then being told "Except for that."