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[theweaselking]

Arizona court rules that women are 80% as valuable as 7-week embryos.

Look on the positive side: that's still 133% of what black people are worth according to the US Constitution.

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[eididdy.livejournal.com]

Funny how the Bible says the opposite almost exactly.

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

What'll 6 camels, 8 chickens and a llama get me?

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure that'll pay to make at least three honest wives out of virgins you've raped, according to the Bible, but US law tends to frown on barter.

[elffin.livejournal.com]

Only because the IRS doesn't want your cows, you filthy commie bas... *ahem*

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

Fortunately, I'm not in the US, then!

Well, I'm off to talk to a few nice gentlemen with (much nicer) daughters and (not very nice) shotguns, then!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Make sure you warn your brother(s) first, though. If you get shot, they have to marry Suzanne and impregnate her so that your line won't end.

(If you have no brothers, brothers will be provided.)

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

Nope, no brothers here. One of me was deemed to be quite enough.

I'll tell S. to start praying; for my ego's sake, I won't ask what she's praying for.

[matronmalice.livejournal.com]

i know that it's offensive that he only got 16 yrs for the woman and 20 for the unborn child, but...i think the judge just really wanted to make sure that the guy went away for a long time. he committed a terrible crime; he beat a pregnant woman to death. unfortunately, americans MUST quantify everything, and since you can't say that a crime against a pregnant woman is somehow worse than a crime against an unfertilized woman because.....well, because...then you have to legally give the fetus some rights, so that it counts. it's annoying, i know, but at least the guy is going to go away for a long time for his crime.
hugs,
e

[torrain.livejournal.com]

> i know that it's offensive that he only got 16 yrs for the woman
> and 20 for the unborn child, but...i think the judge just really
> wanted to make sure that the guy went away for a long time.

Both deaths were second degree murder.

The maximum penalty for that in Arizona is life imprisonment.

Clearly there's some discretion as to the severity of the sentence, or else Gurrola would have been put away for life wether or not Sanchez was pregnant. So if the goal is to make sure he was jailed for a long time, why not simply put him away for life? Heck, given the presence of the fetus, you can even put him away for life twice.

> he committed a terrible crime; he beat a pregnant woman to death.

That is in fact the attitude, yes.

> unfortunately, americans MUST quantify everything, and since you
> can't say that a crime against a pregnant woman is somehow worse
> than a crime against an unfertilized woman because.....well,
> because...

Given that they're considered as two separate crimes, I'm not sure how relevant it is to the law that Sanchez was pregnant. I mean, there was Sanchez dying from brain damage due to the beating, which didn't get the maximum sentance for second-degree murder. And then there was the fetus dying due to being deprived of its life-support system (Sanchez!), which still didn't get the maximum sentance for second-degree murder, but was considered a worse crime.

> then you have to legally give the fetus some rights,
> so that it counts.

(Or, you know, in the absence of the fetus being considered a person, you could simply impose life imprisonment on the guilty party.)

> it's annoying, i know, but at least the guy is going to go away for
> a long time for his crime.

Crimes.

You know, both the *really* bad one, and then the one which involved beating his girlfriend so badly that he gave her brain damage that eventually killed her.

That he's going away for killing his girlfriend? Okay.

That the death of a six-week old fetus is treated as the murder of a human being? I would not call that okay.

That the death of a six-week old clump of cells that could (possibly) have turned into a human rates a harsher punishment than the death of a living, thinking human being? That goes so far in the opposite direction of okay that "offensive" does not, to my mind, quite cover it.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Embryo, not fetus. It won't be a fetus for a good long while, yet.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Apologies. I was (understandably) frustrated, and did not double-check my use of the word that was intended to convey "squidgy blood-sucking proto-sprog cell clump".

[matronmalice.livejournal.com]

sorry, i didn't know that the maximum sentence was life. i'm from New York; here, most people get out on parole after a few years.
if the judge had the ability to impose two life-sentences and he didn't....that's just deplorable.
*sigh* i was really trying to see the bright side of this verdict. i blame the Right.
hugs,
e

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

Blastula?

[kookiemaster.livejournal.com]

Of course it's worth more! It's like the difference between a new TV and a second-hand one. An unborn child has a full life of exploitation and tax paying in front of him ... while a pregnant woman is already missing the first 20 something years.

Would you be more pissed if someone totalled your brand new car or your rusty old one? It's economics with a slighly uncomomng utility formula being used :P

[opaqueplanet.livejournal.com]

That's what I was thinking too. It's a few weeks past blastula/blastocyst, but still an embryo.

[opaqueplanet.livejournal.com]

It sets a disturbing precedent. Ladies, feminists, get out before Roe v. Wade is overturned completely.