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[kadath.livejournal.com]

How can Powers be so good and everything else he does such shit?

[torrain.livejournal.com]

I was faintly amused, until I saw the original dialogue.

You do understand? You mean nothing to me!
You're a fat piece of furniture I may need for trade!
So shut your cow-mouth or I'll remove your face by hand before I stop your whore's heart!

Someone wrote that dialogue for Doom? The brilliant and driven saviour of his people? The Magneto of the human side of the Marvel Universe? The regal, noble, larger-than-life supervillain?

Whining like a Nice Guy (TM) in a notebook-scribbled revenge fantasy while some anonymous ass is helpless in the panel's foreground?

Fail. Utter fail.

[autobotsrollout.livejournal.com]

Now, now - his Daredevil was genuinely groundbreaking. So was Alias. Bendis is a great street-level writer. He's just not great at the higher-end stuff sometimes.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

There's "trouble with the higher end," and then there's "writing Doom's dialogue like he's an ESL pimp." I mean, come the fuck on. Bendis isn't just having some trouble with tone--that is a fundamental botching of the character. Does his Dr. Strange beat Clea Hank Pym-style, too?

[torrain.livejournal.com]

What terrifies me is that the parody is closer to Doom's style than the dialogue from Bendis.

I mean, come on. All this ranting about his superiority and not *one* reference to Doom in the third person? Fail.

[lurkerwithout.livejournal.com]

Its the contraction that jumps out for me. DOOM DOES NOT CONTRACT HIS MAGNIFICENT WORDS!

Anyway, yeah Bendis' two Avengers books are 90% crap to 10% Huh, that was good...

[sivi-volk.livejournal.com]

...I never even thought of the Doom/Magneto parallel. Man, we need a good writer to do an entire comic that's just a discussion between the two.

[autobotsrollout.livejournal.com]

It's almost like they already did that several times!

(Magneto and Doom? Not friendly, suffice to say.)

[sivi-volk.livejournal.com]

I'd just never seen any. What comics did those conversations occur in?

[lurkerwithout.livejournal.com]

There were some Von Doom/Magneto Family confrontations in parts of House of M. I can't recall anything off hand, but maybe in the early issues of the first Secret Wars. Marvel used to do a Villain Team-Up book, I bet there might be something in those...

[sivi-volk.livejournal.com]

Is Secret Wars the whole "Tech-villains arise now that Doom is gone and Fury gets some people to trash Latveria, then wipes their memories, but then what's-her-name Latverian PM shows up with a bomb in NY Harbour and people remember" thing?

Pretty, but had some flaws.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

No. Secret Wars is "Phenomenal god-being steals all the heroes and villains, sticks them on a planet of his own creation, and makes them fight."

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Unfortunately, I think reality has it scheduled for sometime after the Magneto/Kitty Pryde discussion.

*sighs*

Oh well. At least the new Batman movie looks good.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Nah, it's the "God puts them in a jar and makes them fight" one. From back in--

--oh God. May '84 to April '85. No wonder I remember it fondly.

As "put them in a jar and make them fight" comics go, I don't think it was too bad. Actually had some character interaction that involved people not being idiots.

Also, it was the spot where Spidey picked up his black and white costume, and it's where Colossus met the woman he dumped Kitty Pryde for, if you've ever seen reference to that incident.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

A whole comic that was nothing but a discussion? Seriously? Man, I thought the closest any of the X-heroes or -villains got to that was the Doctor Samson issue of X-Factor, or possibly some of the mourning issues, but even those were discussions between a variety of people.

I remain sceptical. Entire issues of in-character discussion and interaction that both expresses the views of the characters and illuminates their perspective for the reader (because you know, I love Doom and Magneto, but they are both just a leeetle driven and might be considered unreliable narrators)?

[lurkerwithout.livejournal.com]

Actually the train wreck of pointless Bendis written mini was also called Secret Wars. I guess it'd be SW3. Secret Wars 2 involved the Beyonder running around Earth and getting in trouble with everyone. Of course now Bendis and the rest of the QUIMBY collective have retconned the Beyonder into being a Mutant Inhuman. So. Damn. Dumb...

[harper-knight.livejournal.com]

Yes. Doom tried to kill off Magneto and take the world back for humans because he didn't like being treated as a lesser. In House of M Doom was married to Invisible Woman (not called that) and their son was the Human Torch (same) and the It (Thing) was his pet. They all died but Magneto spared Doom's life and so on. That was some good House of M right there. I too know I've seen Magneto/Doom angry in actual timeline Marvel but I bloody well can't remember where.

[matgb]

Whut?

I mean, I stopped reading Marvel when I moved out of my parents and couldn't afford it anymore grew up and spent the money on CCGs instead, but turning the Beyonder into an Inhuman? Gah!

It was the first Secret Wars that got me into Marvel over DC, that and the UK Transformers comics had other Marvel stuff in.