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Who knew?

Newsflash: No new information has been exposed, to no new people. The only thing that's happened is that it's become clearer to you that you've been sharing something roughly equivalent to your area code + exchange, or the first half of your postal/zip code, with every comment.

Which is, for the record, still WAAAAAAAAY less information that you give away every time you send an email.

re sending an email

Date: 2011-06-10 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biomekanic.livejournal.com
Or for that matter, having a Facebook account.

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Date: 2011-06-10 11:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Who knew?

You didn't already? Scary scary people in the comments. I'm giving up.

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Date: 2011-06-11 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
OMG YOU LIVE IN 82.38 WHERE IS THAT I AM SO CONFUSED

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Date: 2011-06-11 12:49 am (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Default)
From: [personal profile] matgb
Heh, Denise on DW keeps telling me I'm an outlier, when you've had your address delivered to every house in the area and published on the local council website, and pretty much everything about you is googleable (well, everything I want known, anyway), you tend to not worry so much.

But, y'know...

There are some people with a valid reason for people not to know it's them, but it's not like LJ hasn't been warning them for ages.

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Date: 2011-06-11 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius1.livejournal.com
If I post from work, it says I'm in Minneapolis.

I'm 408 miles (650km) from Minneapolis!

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Date: 2011-06-11 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Inexact science FTW!

(One of your company's IP blocks is in Minneapolis, likely because their ISP had an office there and has never updated the physical location stuff. There's lots of blocks like that.)

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Date: 2011-06-11 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius1.livejournal.com
Actually, it's because my company's headquarters is in Minneapolis, and I'm pretty sure that's where their corporate network is located.

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Date: 2011-06-11 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Are you VPN'd in? Then yes! You're connecting to the internet via a computer in Minneapolis, and that's where the site sees your connection from.

(WAAAAAAAAY back, I used to work for an ISP whose head office was in Seattle. My direct connection to the internet, which did not at any time go through that half of the continent, popped up as being in "Seattle" because the IP we were using was owned in Seattle, even though routing took us nowhere near there.)

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Date: 2011-06-11 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius1.livejournal.com
I'm honestly not sure how they have branch offices set up! We don't have to directly log in to a VPN while at work, though. (When at home and logging in to work, I'm definitely on VPN, though -- but from a data center in Kansas City.)

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Date: 2011-06-11 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skington.livejournal.com
AOL historically used IPs allocated by ARIN for customers in Europe - it had them lying around, after all, why ask RIPE for extra IPs when it didn't need them? This confused people in the early days of the Internet.

Similarly, naive IP-address-querying code claims I'm in Colchester, when I am in fact in Glasgow. That's about as wrong as you can possibly be in the UK.

If you actually pay money for a proper geolocation system, I suspect you'd get better results. LiveJournal doesn't, and that's fine - they don't really care.

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Date: 2011-06-11 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The UK results do seem to be particularly bad.

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Date: 2011-06-11 02:10 am (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Default)
From: [personal profile] matgb
I am in fact in Glasgow. That's about as wrong as you can possibly be in the UK

Yup.

Oh, sorry, you were talking about distance...

When I lived in Torquay, I used either Tiscali or Wanadoo as my dial up ISP (no broadband in that building, dodgy wiring and dodgy landlord).

Lots of certain types of websites used to advertise dates with young women in Watford, took me awhile to figure out why.

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Date: 2011-06-11 02:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Weirdly, they're getting my location spot on to the town, but telling me my ISP is one that went bust several years ago, I'm guessing their allotment got bought up by Virgin.

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Date: 2011-06-11 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errolwi.livejournal.com
Yep, when I'm at work I can look like I'm in Melbourne (rather than Auckland) with only a little effort.

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Date: 2011-06-11 05:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
ip allocation is an inexact science too. geographic association is only rough. in the early days, organisations (eg ibm) were able to grab large chunks of addresses 'for future needs'.

a friend of mine had a *personal* b class allocation for years. he fastidiously paid renewal fees to ensure he kept it. i might ask him if he still has it.

my home ip addr is pretty accurate, but my work addresses are all over the map. doubly so if i use any of our vpns. (i'm an academic. we have campuses in crazy places, and 'arrangements' with other institutions as well.)

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Date: 2011-06-11 06:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
most peeps know so little about how all they toys they use (and rely upon) actually work, that any change upsets their equilibrium.

people construct theories about 'how things work' - and when they don't comply, people get shitty. and it's damnably difficult to get them to grasp that their 'theory' ain't how the thing actually works. [aka learninating them be haaard]

sigh. exposing how the magic works gets you no brownie points. they don't *want* to look behind the curtain ...

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Date: 2011-06-11 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixdreaming.livejournal.com
Thanks for being a voice of sense on this. The overreactions and misinformation-spreading have been desperately annoying.

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Date: 2011-06-11 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cosmiccat.livejournal.com
When I log in from work, I appear to be from Paris. This results in a lot of odd advertisements I would normally never see.

Also Google defaults to searching in French.

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Date: 2011-06-14 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-hesitant.livejournal.com
This reminds me of this debate about single-blind peer review vs double-blind peer review (http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2011/06/adverse-selection-and-single-blind-review.html).

The argument in favour of adopting single-blind peer review for that economic journal is that, since a reviewer can trivially find out the identity of the author of the paper they are reviewing by googling, there is no need to keep it secret.

The argument for keeping double-blind peer review is that most people don't bother finding out the identity of the author of the paper they are reviewing.

Ditto for this location deobfuscation thing. Deobfuscation is not an entirely harmless act.

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Date: 2011-06-14 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
It's not even like googling the paper to find the author - more like including the author's name, but in ROT13, so that it's a few seconds to discover, doesn't require leaving the reader app at all for anyone with a plugin, and some reviewers are going to be able to read some or all of it outright just because it's there.

Take me, for example - I identified your ISP immediately from your IP, and was about 50% sure on the city - and when I checked, I was right on both. And this is not unusual!
Edited Date: 2011-06-14 11:40 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-06-14 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-hesitant.livejournal.com
Indeed.

Conversely, it wouldn't make sense for LJ to automatically decode every post written in ROT13, even though decoding ROT13 is trivial.

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Date: 2011-06-14 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
And yet, we're not talking about information deliberately encoded in a non-immediately-readable form by the poster - and if Livejournal DID have a "this looks like rot13, click here to translate it" butoon, that would be both kinda cool *and* really hilarious since it would trigger off most of the idiot-comments in the linked lj-feedback post.

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