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Date: 2013-06-25 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimrunner.livejournal.com
Lemme go ask my dad about that.

Oh, wait, I already know what he'll say: "What?"

(I do know southerners who have deliberately gotten rid of their accents because of assumptions people have made about their intelligence...ironically, Rice's delusional bullshit stands as evidence that this might have been a good move.)

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
I got that "tone deaf" vibe from her work, which is why I never warmed to it despite the gushing reviews she was receiving at the time.

-- Steve feels vindicated.

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
*facepalm* *headdesk* Between a heatwave, this and the other nadir of the internet (TW: PUAs and awfully written article in general, with awful opinions)... I think my daily Stupid Quota is full.

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I'm reminded of Jeff Foxworthy's "they ain't never gonna let nobody from Alabama drive the Space Shuttle" bit.

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartonian.livejournal.com
... or his bit about a neural surgeon with a southern accent?

Doc: "What we gonna do is root around in yer head with a stick..."
Patient: "No thanks... I'll just die."

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I've seen that. The sheer number of "OMG THAT IS OUT OF CONTEXT" complaints just annoys the crap out of me: *IN CONTEXT* it is still JUST AS BAD. Holy CRAP, people.

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
Yeah. It is absolutely astonishing how many people fail to grasp it.

I'm actually offended by that article where the writer pretty much calls that women working in IT should be target practice for nerds to train their social skills. Holy ****. I work in IT, and the last thing I want to happen is a bunch of people thinking that I might put out if they beg enough.

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The "memorise these placating words. Say them, back off, *then try again*" part is pretty much textbook sexual harassment.

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Date: 2013-06-25 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
She... she is actually arguing that because PD aired those views in front of a white person it should have been okay.

Because, you know, obviously no white person could ever be disgusted on principle by that behaviour, and certainly could never care about or love or share a family with an I-cannot-even-fucking-type-that, and even if they were they'd obviously be used to such comments and should be understanding and forgiving of it. So only a rabble-rousing shrike would dare to kick up a fuss over that, and be hurtful enough to bring it out to where non-white people could hear about it.

(Oh, and I bet the words "looking for an excuse to be offended" come up somewhere.)

I'm going to go throw up a little in my mouth, now.
Edited Date: 2013-06-25 05:58 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2013-06-25 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
I read The Mummy when I was very young (8th grade?), The Vampire Lestat around the same time, and was in later years bored to tears by something about a family bloodline of witches.

(We don't have any of her books in the library, or they'd be next on the cull.)

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Date: 2013-06-25 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Oh dear bleeding Christ. I didn't make it through the second screen of that, and I'm not going to try. >.<

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Date: 2013-06-25 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
Yep, 100% correct.

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Date: 2013-06-25 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
Yeah. My day is too much full of Horrible...

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Date: 2013-06-25 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
And Anne Rice goes from one of those eccentric people who you'd probably avoid because they do things that are utterly ridiculous but fairly funny to watch from a distance to an out and out arsehole who needs to be buried under a mound of bad vampire porn

I always kind of suspected - but never expected to clarify it so glaringly

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Date: 2013-06-25 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
you know what? Good. I hope all white southerners feel ostracized and violated. Serves them right. Let's see how they like it.

can we start burning giant cakes on their lawns?

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Date: 2013-06-25 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
She's gone off the deepend pretty hard before. Like when she wrote multiple volumes of Jesus fanfic.

Just, y'know, not off the CRAZY RACIST deep end.

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Date: 2013-06-25 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
Also, I want to note this: http://idly.craveonline.com/2013/06/anne-rice-paul-deen-lynch-mob/
Todd is sort of a douche and even HE understands that reverse racism isn't a thing. Seriously, this needs to stop.

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Date: 2013-06-25 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Exactly. In the past she's been odd - but it's been pretty weird odd that more bemuses than enrages. I mean, you wouldn't want to sit in the same restaurant as her, she may randomly start throwing scallops around the place before climbing on the table to have a dramatic reading of the wine list.

But that's the deep end - and a whole different deep end where she declares how ok the n-word is and the terribad awful plight of whiter southerners. Methinks even with her fanpoodles, Ms. Rice is going to find most people will ruefully tolerate the first kind of deep end diving, but are going to treat her with the contempt she deserves over the latter. I hope anyway. Some people at least

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Date: 2013-06-25 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sivi-volk.livejournal.com
If I recall correctly, she's done some bad stuff before, like using her fans to shout down online critics of her work.

As far as racism goes, I also think there was some sketchy/weird stuff in her books themselves, but it's been a while.

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Date: 2013-06-25 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimrunner.livejournal.com
I know my dad's in his 70s and all, but setting the cake on fire seems like overkill.

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Date: 2013-06-25 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
I'm also pretty puzzled that some of these Southern Belles can't figure out what's the difference between criticism of Deen based on her actual words and conduct and mob lynching.

Just in case if you ever need to make it clear to ignoramuses, here's an explanation you can copy-paste for them:

Criticism: "Saying horribly racist things and doing horribly racist and sexist things is not cool." "Private companies can and will fire people who cannot act as spokespeople for their brand, especially if that person is likely to damage it seriously. This is not protected by Freedom of Speech. I believe this is called 'free markets'." "Based on timeline of events that have happened during Deen's lifespan, it is obvious that something just doesn't add up, if she's this slow on uptake that blurting racist jokes and commentary is not OK anymore (and it never was, from a moral point of view). She really should know better."

Lynching: An act of mob "justice", where people vent out their fury on someone; the person targeted may be an innocent one, or waiting for formal/proper justice in a jail cell. In some cases, the officials (who should be protecting them) actually give their approval to seizing of a person or persons. The mob will drag out the victim, and often inflicts other forms of abuse on them (everything from... well, you name it, they've probably done it to someone), followed by execution (often hanging or shooting) and having a general atmosphere of a macabre carnival, as people take souvenir photos or make their children watch how someone's life is snuffed out as torturously and terrifyingly as possible. The body is often burned or thrown to a river/lake/swamp, in which case the purpose is to hide the crime committed while letting The Other know what they've done, and this suggests that the bigots' command of the area is less powerful than they'd like it to be; if the body or bodies are left out (usually a public place well-within sight of Those Other People), it is a clear terrorist threat to them that unless they continue to toe the line, they're next, as no one will defend them. In some cases, the property of the victim(s) may be destroyed as a way to punish their family (arson is a common method).

Seeing how Paula Deen is still in one piece, in possession of her life, property, and general well-being, I believe that the Vampire Belle is dead wrong about calling this "lynching". And she, too, should know the difference.

Does she still live in New Orleans?

Date: 2013-06-26 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] disgruntledgrrl.livejournal.com
If so, I need popcorn!

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Date: 2013-06-26 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marlowe1.livejournal.com
Her first few books were ok because she had editors. By the time Memnoch the Devil came out I was hating her self-indulgent bullshit.

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Date: 2013-06-26 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Before this, the worst I'd heard about was...

...I just realized how difficult it it to describe the Amazon review incident without resorting to either traditionally gendered or ablist language. "Hysterical". "Breakdown". "Pitching a fit". Something. In any case.

Before this, the worst I'd heard about was her vituperative reaction to the bad Amazon reviews, and something about her making a very loud public point of not wanting Tom Cruise in the Interview With A Vampire movie and then publishing full-page retractions of her complaints in the newspaper. It seemed disproportionate, but not disgusting. And then I heard about the fan-poodling[1], and I understand it was incited.

But yeah, just reread the way she's throwing the word "lynched" around, and her justifications, and I think this is a whole different level of bad. O.O
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[1] Due a an evening discussion, the acts of fans throwing themselves furiously against critics of what they are fans of is now permanently associated with this term in my mind. Also, John kept making funny little "yip" noises as the images developed in my brain. Also, poodles should probably not wear black lipstick and gothy eye makeup.

Also I need to sleep.

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Date: 2013-06-26 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
I confess to some confusion about cakes having any particular significance in this cake case, but agree your father's cake would be much better not burned.
Edited Date: 2013-06-26 06:35 am (UTC)

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Date: 2013-06-26 08:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
yep. but *some* people simply refuse to countenance even possibly understanding that. no how.

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Date: 2013-06-26 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia8.livejournal.com
Hopefully, somebody has already forwarded her the URL of that site that shows photos of actual lynchings, to show her what a real lynch mob actually does.
I've only seen that site once and it made me actually sick. But it should stay up there as an example; just like images of the actual Holocaust should be kept and shown to idiots who prattle on about how gun control or vaccination or whatever is "just like the Nazi Holocaust!"

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Date: 2013-06-26 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
For a less extreme (in sense of horror-gawking) and much more responsible (with researched commentary of what is shown) version of such website, Jim Crow Museum is a good resource for that.

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Date: 2013-06-27 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reyl.livejournal.com
She should go hang out with Mel Gibson for a bit.

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