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theweaselkingAt Michigan State University, this is an email sent by a professor to the Muslim Students Association:
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jedwardtremlett asks "if a professor had written a letter to one of the African-American student organizations around Martin Luther King Day – a letter 'protesting' bad things that happen in Africa, and then telling those students to please move back there – would the university say that letter didn’t violate MSU policy? Or would they throw that professor off campus faster than you could say 'Jesse Jackson’s on line one'?"
Dear Moslem Association: As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intened to protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey!), burnings of Christian chirches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavain girls and women (called "whores" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many, many of my colleagues. I counsul you dissatisfied, agressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests." If you do not like the values of the West--see the 1st Ammendment--you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans. Cordially, I. S. Wichman, Professor of Mechanical Engineering.The punchline? The university says that this doesn't violate their behaviour guidellines.
jedwardtremlett asks "if a professor had written a letter to one of the African-American student organizations around Martin Luther King Day – a letter 'protesting' bad things that happen in Africa, and then telling those students to please move back there – would the university say that letter didn’t violate MSU policy? Or would they throw that professor off campus faster than you could say 'Jesse Jackson’s on line one'?"
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-26 05:32 pm (UTC)Being upset and pointing out to the newspapers that "Feedom of Speech" means I have the freedom to call you an ass when you use your freedom to insult something I value - THAT is a far more acceptable response.
On the gripping hand - "convicting" the Michigan State University Muslim Students Association of crimes commited by people in entirely other countries who just happen to share a religion - that's bigoted. It was bigoted before he even got to the part about telling them to "go home". Unless the MSU Muslim Students Association have been beheading people, blowing themselves up, and raping Scandinavians, they have nothing to do with the behavior of their co-religionists.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-26 05:35 pm (UTC)I was trying to think of a good example like that, thank you for providing it.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:40 pm (UTC)I sez: You're right, unless the argument is being used against Christians too. At that point, I am TOTALLY okay with holding them responsible for the behaviour of their co-religionists. Here are some specifics where I would like to start.
You sez: Huh?
I sez: This. Also, add "every Catholic, ever, up on child rape charges" to the list.
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Date: 2006-04-26 06:22 pm (UTC)I'd like to slightly edit my original comment - and add if the Muslim group was inciting beheading, etc. you might have better grounds for painting them with the same brush as the people they successfully incited to criminal acts.
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Date: 2006-04-26 06:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-26 06:51 pm (UTC)Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the point you're making and the people who aren't getting it.
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Date: 2006-04-26 07:17 pm (UTC)He's taking their argument to the logical extreme to demonstrate the rampant hypocracy of it.
I am sure the Law transcends Usenet...
Date: 2006-04-27 04:13 pm (UTC)One is a hypocrite.
One is being hypocritical.
One is engaging in hypocrisy.
Find the error.
Re: I am sure the Law transcends Usenet...
Date: 2006-04-27 04:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-27 06:13 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-26 05:34 pm (UTC)Deport them.
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Date: 2006-04-26 06:15 pm (UTC)you know, not jsut the blacks, jews, and muslims, we should get rid of the irish, the itallians, the quakers... deport them all! While we're at it, i think we shoudl deport the Apache, the Navajo, the Iroqois, the Lacota, etal back to where they came too!
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Date: 2006-04-26 07:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2006-04-26 07:58 pm (UTC)When I open a ticket and see something like "Distinguished engineer" or "Application engineer" or whatever as a job title - I know the associate is one of two things:
a) completely helpless when faced with basic windows user knowledge
or
b) insanely competant, and only needed our help with something he flat out doesn't have access rights to.
Normally I'd bet on a), but there's a particular location that if I get one of these engineery types calling from, it means they're usually type b).
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Date: 2006-04-26 08:03 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-04-26 08:10 pm (UTC)But when you have to walk them through resetting their windows password, or have to scrape seven different flavors of spyware out of their system... egh.
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Date: 2006-04-26 08:12 pm (UTC)