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May. 19th, 2006 06:31 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
theweaselkingUK police find sex cult in Durham based on the works of John Norman.
Anyone else up for a rousing round of Houseplants Of Gor?
(For those lucky ones of you who don't know who John Norman is, or what Gor is, read Houseplants. It's a quick read. Now, imagine that in the *real* Gor novels, you've got that same type of writing, same prose, same depth of characterisation and variety in word choice, but instead of "houseplants" it's "women", and instead of "watering" it's "sex". And yes, I did say "novel", as in "really long book just like this", and I did say "novels", as in more than one of them. And there are socially inadequate pathetic losers who've invented a religion based on these books. That's Gor.)
Durham Police discovered the bizarre sect after raiding a home in the area, after receiving complaints that a woman was being held against her will.Uh, yeah. Right.
But a spokesman said the Canadian was a willing participant and the other people involved were consenting adults.
The group, called Kaotians, follow the Chronicles of Gor novels which depict a society where women are dominated.
The 29-year-old woman is said to have voluntarily attended the sect after finding out about it over the internet.
Anyone else up for a rousing round of Houseplants Of Gor?
(For those lucky ones of you who don't know who John Norman is, or what Gor is, read Houseplants. It's a quick read. Now, imagine that in the *real* Gor novels, you've got that same type of writing, same prose, same depth of characterisation and variety in word choice, but instead of "houseplants" it's "women", and instead of "watering" it's "sex". And yes, I did say "novel", as in "really long book just like this", and I did say "novels", as in more than one of them. And there are socially inadequate pathetic losers who've invented a religion based on these books. That's Gor.)
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Date: 2006-05-19 01:33 pm (UTC)Also, dammit, it's a BDSM flavour, not a religion.
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Date: 2006-05-19 03:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-19 05:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-19 05:08 pm (UTC)The first book on the list, Binary, is that Michael Crichton under that pen name book.
(Tangentially, ou get that list only if you write "john lange" in the search field and pick "books" in the drop-down menu. If you search for "john lange" but don't change the search field from Amazon.com, you get a different list. )
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Date: 2006-05-19 01:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-19 02:09 pm (UTC)They made no real impression, except for a lasting desire to giggle at the line "Yes, it is beautiful. And that is why we hunt and kill it."
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Date: 2006-05-19 02:20 pm (UTC)They're freaks.
And, so far as I can tell, exclusively, really, really fat hairy guys who smell bad. No, really. 100%, so far.
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Date: 2006-05-19 02:46 pm (UTC)This confirms it, I need to write a series of bad novels that convince people to give me money, lots of it.
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Date: 2006-05-19 02:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-19 02:49 pm (UTC)Yeah, it does seem like a lot of work.
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Date: 2006-05-19 05:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-20 10:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-19 04:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-05-19 05:03 pm (UTC)(Not that I'm equating vampire-shagging with Gorean servitude. Especially since everyone we see who's a vampire shagger is stunningly independant. And desirable. And angsty. And...
...I'll shut up now, shall I?)
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Date: 2006-05-19 05:19 pm (UTC)I make a certain exception for scifi/fantasy from the 70s, because there's piles of otherwise-ok suff from that era that seems to have a random exotic sex scene thrown in with absolutely no connection to the plot. And then theres Philip Jose Farmer, who can somehow make sex the theme of an entire book and yet make it seem like a sociological commentary rather than a stroke book (C.F. Flesh).
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Date: 2006-05-19 06:31 pm (UTC)Farmer also did /Blown/, didn't he?
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Date: 2006-05-19 04:24 pm (UTC)It died. =(
-K
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Date: 2006-05-19 05:04 pm (UTC)The Other Side of the Coin
Date: 2006-05-24 01:33 am (UTC)The books by John Norman are terrible reads, I can barely get through a page, hence why I didn't read any of them. It is my personal belief that Mr. Norman whom ever he may be, is afraid of women, hence his degredation of them in his books. I think I could have him on his knees inside of ten minutes.
That aside, we seem to forget that such morees, beliefs and values were common place once upon a time and still exist today. Are they wrong, modern civilizations think so, quite strongly infact and we being the teenagers of the world know everything and are ALWAYS right. Do I personally believe that nature intended a Gender to be slave and a gender to be Master .. no. But who am I to press my opinions and beliefs upon consenting adults who believe otherwise ....oh wait ....I am a white christian North American ...that's who .. a Bush wannabe ...note sarcasm please.
Gorean philosophy is NOT a religion, it's a life style and such as BDSM it was created because something touched and affected a group of people, something that sparked an emotion within. It feeds a need and hopefully is consentual .. some will argue that it is not ... but let's face it, once upon a time a man could beat the shit out of his wife, right here in good old, save the world, fight the injust, cause we're so righteous, North America and authorities turned away an eye, or even condoned it by saying ...well, y'know, a man's gotta keep his house in order.
Anyway, I digress, the real reason I posted to this is because it was brought to my attention by a friend who knows I dabble in the life style, on line anyway. Real life commitments and priorities prevent me from delving in completely.
Am I plant .......HELL NO ... I'm the gardener.
Yes I'm female.
What your author fails to point out is that not all plants being forced to take water are women .... Imagine a scantily clad gardener garnishing a watering can with a nasty looking spear head on it chasing down male plants, staking them out beneath the moon and watering them till they beg for more.
*grins*
Modern day Amazons ..... otherwise known as Panthers.
Am I one of them ..yes ... one of the best.
Now if you will excuse me, I have a new plant in my green house that looks a little thirsty.
Have a nice day.
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Date: 2006-05-24 02:23 am (UTC)I really don't have a problem with BDSM, or BDSM fetishists. The 24/7 types creep me out in the same way that the obsessively religious or fanboyish creep me out, but they're really no worse than people who speak Klingon, and usually bathe more often to boot.
The problem I have with Goreans specifically is their implicit (and often, as is the case in this instance, explicit) belief that:
#1: All women are naturally submissive, although a few *may* be able to suppress and take on master tendencies
#2: All men are naturally dominant, although a few *may* have submissive tendencies
#3: All submissives just need to be raped until they enjoy it, a submissive who isn't enjoying it just hasn't been raped enough, and it's the natural order for masters to rape submissives.
What this boils down to is the belief that all women are just there to be used and abused by men, and if they say "no", it's because they really want it but just don't know it yet.
And that's why Goreans are fucking creepy: at the core, consent has NOTHING to do with it, and, in fact, takes away from the "fun". The fact that this belief tends to lead them to not just display their kinks openly but to inflict them on those who aren't interested (since they define disinterest as encouragement) is why I don't know a single "Gorean" in real life who doesn't have a half-dozen restraining orders, a dozen ass-kickings from people he's assaulted and their friends, and a massive "those stupid bitches done me wrong, don't they know I'm a NATURAL MASTER" complex.
This is much more than BSDM. They're sad, strange little children who can't get a date and figure it has to be because EVERYONE ELSE just doesn't know the true way the world works.
Re: The Other Side of the Coin
Date: 2006-05-24 02:25 am (UTC)Re: The Other Side of the Coin
Date: 2006-05-24 10:42 pm (UTC)And, given that it is a parody of Gor specifically, all the plants being forced to take water are female. There is no failure to point anything out.
It takes thirty seconds to find John Norman's e-mail address and the university at which he teaches Philosophy. Given the constant abrasion of self-assured cries of dominance that Philosophy teachers are consistently exposed to, I imagine he might be rather resistant to being brought to his knees, be it by panther, Amazon, or cougar (unless, you know, you care to break out a sledgehammer).
Yes yes yes, a mere opinion of your capabilities, and doubtless a poorly informed one. But hey, as long as we're assessing people based on works of fiction put out under the anonymity of a pseudonym...