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[theweaselking]

US: We demand detailed financial and political records on every person on every flight to the USA. If you don't give it to us, your planes can't land in the USA.

EU Airlines: If we give you any of that, we're in violation of EU laws because you're irresponsible with private data, and we will be subject to business-ending fines for giving confidential information to incompetents who will abuse it.

US: Well, screw you guys, we're going home.

EU Airlines: Fine! We never liked you anyway!

Comments

[unknownpoltroon.livejournal.com]

"But officials say there will be no disruption to transatlantic flights."

So, obviously
a: This never was that important
b: Money is more important than safety

[harald387.livejournal.com]

Keep reading.

The reason flights aren't being disrupted is because the US is still demanding - and receiving - this personal information. And Chertoff is maintaining 1) that talks haven't broken down, despite his EU counterparts saying they have, and 2) That despite the highest European court ruling against giving the information, he'll continue to receive it because the countries involved 'won't prosecute'.

Deliberate blindness, or sheer stupidity, or both. It blows my mind.

-K

[opaqueplanet.livejournal.com]

What the hell is wrong with the States?! Do they honestly think that would be ok?

People from abroad wanting to go to the states:
1) Why?!
2) Come to Canada, rent a car, drive to US. Once inside, fly domestically to wherever you need to go within the country if it's not close to the border. Try to fly via non-international airports, for your safety.

[stefania22.livejournal.com]

LOL! Great comment, opaqueplanet. I completely agree ;-)

[elffin.livejournal.com]

People from abroad wanting to go to the states:

Do NOT fly to canada, rent a car, cross the border, and attempt to fly domestically unless you REALLY, REALLY want to get intimate with an inspector's nitrile glove. DerHomelandSchutstaffel are looking for exactly this pattern of behaviour, and boarding domestic flights /still/ requires:
Name,
address
DOB
passport number, issuing agency/country
credit card number, major credit cards only, no, really, they mean that.
US Visa number (what? You don't have a VISA, because you crossed the Canadian border at a tourism checkpoint? Free interview with my friend Mr. Nigh Trial and his five sisters!)
Residence address in the US (none? Just, try to relax, OK?)
history of not showing up for flights
any frequent flyer accounts
residence address on the frequent flyer accounts
car rental information
rail reservations
tours booked
phone calls placed using credit cards
etcetera
etcetera.

I'm a US citizen. My company may eventually need me to fly someplace. I will have to decline their request.

[opaqueplanet.livejournal.com]

Damn, that's really unfortunate. :S

Have things changed such that Canadians need passports to travel to/in the states? (Last time I went there -admittedly 12 years ago- they never asked for Canadian passports.) Because if they haven't, how easy would it be to fake a Canadian address (eg. give them a Canadian friend's address)?

Well, anyways, just drive the damn car around the country.

And my first point still applies: Why?!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

The plan is that, as of January 2008, all border crossings to the USA will require a valid passport.

I personally think you'd have to be insane to go to the USA without a passport, proof of citizenship, a few contacts in your government who know where you're supposed to be and when so they can log a protest when you get "rendered", and being white. Anything else is just asking to be disappeared to a third-world hellhole like Miami and tortured until you admit to being a terrist.

[corruptedjasper.livejournal.com]

Faking your name and country while trying to board an airplane is very much a really really REALLLLLLY bad idea. Renting a car with the same is bad enough.