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The New Yorker tells me that the crazies have gotten even crazier.
The popularization of the Bible entered a new phase in 2003, when Thomas Nelson created the BibleZine. Wayne Hastings described a meeting in which a young editor, who had conducted numerous focus groups and online surveys, presented the idea. “She brought in a variety of teen-girl magazines and threw them out on the table,” he recalled. “And then she threw a black bonded-leather Bible on the table and said, ‘Which would you rather read if you were sixteen years old?’ ” The result was “Revolve,” a New Testament that looked indistinguishable from a glossy girls’ magazine. The 2007 edition features cover lines like “Guys Speak Their Minds” and “Do U Rush to Crush?” Inside, the Gospels are surrounded by quizzes, photos of beaming teen-agers, and sidebars offering Bible-themed beauty secrets:
Have you ever had a white stain appear underneath the arms of your favorite dark blouse? Don’t freak out. You can quickly give deodorant spots the boot. Just grab a spare toothbrush, dampen with a little water and liquid soap, and gently scrub until the stain fades away. As you wash away the stain, praise God for cleansing us from all the wrong things we have done. (1 John 1:9)
“Revolve” was immediately popular with teen-agers. “They weren’t embarrassed anymore,” Hastings said. “They could carry it around school, and nobody was going to ask them what in the world it is.” Nelson quickly followed up with other titles, including “Refuel,” for boys; “Blossom,” for tweens; “Real,” for the “vibrant urban crowd” (it comes bundled with a CD of Christian rap); and “Divine Health,” which has notes by the author of the best-selling diet book “What Would Jesus Eat?” To date, Nelson has sold well over a million BibleZines.

The success of the BibleZine was all the more notable for occurring in a commercial field already crowded with products and with savvy marketing ideas. This year’s annual trade show of the Christian Booksellers’ Association, in Denver, brought such innovations as “The Outdoor Bible,” printed on indestructible plastic sheets that fold up like maps, and “The Story,” which features selections from the Bible arranged in chronological order, like a novel. There is a “Men of Integrity” Bible and a “Woman, Thou Art Loosed!” Bible. For kids, there’s “The Super Heroes Bible: The Quest for Good Over Evil” and “Psalty’s Kids Bible,” featuring “Psalty, the famous singing songbook.” The “Soul Surfer Bible” has notes by Bethany Hamilton, who lost an arm to a shark in 2003. “2:52 Boys Bible: The Ultimate Manual” promises “gross and gory Bible stuff.” In the “Rainbow Study Bible,” each verse is color-coded by theme. “The Promise Bible” prints every one of God’s promises in boldface. And “The Personal Promise Bible” is custom-printed with the owner’s name (“The LORD is Daniel’s shepherd”), home town (“Woe to you, Brooklyn! Woe to you, New York!”), and spouse’s name (“Gina’s two breasts are like two fawns”).
They scare me.

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Date: 2006-12-19 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimrunner.livejournal.com
They're gonna milk that cow until it's dry, aren't they.

You may be amused to know that today someone on ScienceBlogs proposed leaving copies of The Origin of Species in hotel rooms.

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Date: 2006-12-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thebitterguy
Oh, I want the Super Heroes Bible. And the Ultimate Manual Bible.

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Date: 2006-12-19 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
I had seen links to two of those, "Revolve" and "Refuel", a few years back.

I hadn't known of the others, nor realized how hilarious-scary they were, though.

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Date: 2006-12-19 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanofprague.livejournal.com
The faith of the West is Capitalism...

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Date: 2006-12-19 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] culfinriel.livejournal.com
Do they really want to do a full page glossy photo spread on the Song of Solomon?

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Date: 2006-12-21 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Heeb magazine did just this in there Sex issue (Sarah Silberman on the cover). Someone took passages from the bible (old testement, of course) and painted naughty pictures depicting Onan spilling his seed on his sister-in-law's back, Rachel learning from her mother how to give good head, and an orgy in progress when Moses descends from Mt. Siani.

Freakin' hi-larious.

How pertinent.

Date: 2006-12-19 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothpanda.livejournal.com
I just had an argument with my fundy coworker at lunch about whether America is a secular country. He insists that all our values are based on Judeo-Christian principles. I pointed out that, were that true, it would be illegal to cheat on your spouse; covet your neighbor's belongings; worship idols; eat shrimp; and shave. I offered to continue but he chose to leave instead.

Re: How pertinent.

Date: 2006-12-20 04:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] itlandm.livejournal.com
Those are not values, those are commandments. Values are things like respecting God, loving your neighbor, upholding the law and giving equal rights to the poor. Not that America stands out in any of those things, of course, except perhaps the first.

Re: How pertinent.

Date: 2006-12-20 03:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] itlandm.livejournal.com
Values are not about shrimp. Values are about what's important to you. Nobody dies for the shrimp.

Re: How pertinent.

Date: 2006-12-20 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothpanda.livejournal.com
But our values--the things that are important to us, that we die and kill for--are not judeo-christian. That was my point. The values of (Christian) fundamentalists should, by their own admission, be Biblical values. The Bible contains commandments and other instructions that are not writ into law, at least not in 'Merica. Hence, we are not using judeo-christian values to determine our laws. Some of the laws overlap with judeo-christian values, but the Bible is not their basis, which is what my coworker thinks.

Re: How pertinent.

Date: 2006-12-20 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Are you assuming that the values of Christians as a whole--including those who don't self-identify or aren't identified as fundamentalists--are the same thing as the values of Christian fundamentalists?

(I already get that you're assuming that fundamentalist values are the same thing as the health code commandments from Leviticus, so no need to go over that again.)

Re: How pertinent.

Date: 2006-12-23 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothpanda.livejournal.com
No. I absolutely do not think that the majority of Christians read the Bible in the literal way that fundamentalists do. The majority of Christians are reasonable people, and they don't take the health code commandments from Leviticus seriously. But my fundy coworker is constantly citing the BIble for evidence of why gay people shouldn't marry and other values--I just think he should be consistent. :)

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Date: 2006-12-20 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toku666.livejournal.com
Oh, the horror!

Christians want their kids to be interested in the Bible!

Slow news day, Johnny?

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Date: 2006-12-20 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Try "shysters try to make a quick buck pandering to parents who want to perpetuate the cycle of abuse for another generation by *tricking* their children into thinking that their bronze-age fairy tale has some benefit." Even the few truly sound moral lessons in it were surpassed by philosophy that found *better* reasons to do it than "the invisible man will torture you after you die because he loves you so much, no, trust me, it really happens despite there being no evidence of it and no way for anyone, ever, to have ever *had* evidence of it" centuries ago.

And yes, creepy people spreading propaganda bothers me, whether it's about the Galactic Warlord Xenu, Yggdrasil, PETA, or Patient Zero In The Bethlehem Zombie Epidemic, and so I make it a point to find out when they've retooled to try a new brainwashing tactic.
From: [identity profile] toku666.livejournal.com
Nothing at all loaded about your first sentence there. ;)

Anyhow, I think I can do you one better here: "Happy Holidays" (http://www1.americangreetings.com/display.pd?Searchstr=three%20wise%20camels&path=31871&bfrom=1&prodnum=3094053&st=t)

Just remember that somebody got paid to do that.
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
...you know, I clicked on that knowing that you were trying to go him one better, so I really have so-one but myself to bblame for the feeling that I should be at least poking at my eyes with a finger if not actually stabbing them right now.

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Date: 2006-12-20 05:14 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] itlandm.livejournal.com
Eh, Judaism is very much an IRON-Age religion. Even though the legendary Moses supposedly lived in the Bronze Age, and the first mention of Yahweh is from the Bronze/Iron boundary, the codified body of the religion is wholly from the Iron Age. It also displays classical Iron Age religion traits: Patriarchal, militaristic, and legalistic. In contrast, classical Bronze Age religions were matriarchal, fertility-centered and ritualistic. These traits are not only absent in Judaism, but painted as enemies. If Judaism had been Bronze-age, it would mandate ritual sex in honor of the Goddess during planting season. While some Bronze-age myths are preserved in Judaism, they are modified. The Deluge happens because people are evil, not because they are noisy or forget to perform the rituals.

America really is a spiritual heir of the Iron Age world, not the Bronze Age. The fear and revulsion for homosexuality is a good example. In the Bronze Age, ritual homosexuality was part of the Temples' services. Can you imagine this happen in American synagogues or churches? I don't think so. Ritual weddings complete with ritual wedding nights each spring? I don't see it happen. On the other hand I can easily imagine priests blessing the soldiers and their weapons and depicting the ancient father-god as the god of the nation which will bring glory to their army and death to their enemies. This is not a particular of Judaism: The same would have happened if the Vikings had succeeded in colonizing America. One nation under Odin!

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Date: 2006-12-20 06:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] opaqueplanet.livejournal.com
<3 history geeks! <3<3 religious history geeks!
...
<3 the bronze age! <3 minoan snake goddesses!

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Date: 2006-12-20 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
Odin of the Marvel Comics is cooler then the God of the Bible. At least you can understand Odin. Except for treating Thor like shit, he'd be a cool ruler. You don't start none, there won't be none with him in charge.

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Date: 2006-12-20 11:42 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] itlandm.livejournal.com
I dare say that the comic book version of both deities differ somewhat from the older written sources. Odin was a ruthless deity in his attempts to hold off Ragnarok and if possible change its outcome. Extremely pragmatic in a "the end justifies the means" way, which would be unacceptable to modern liberals. I can totally see Odin go for pre-emptive strikes, it would be in character for him.

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Date: 2006-12-20 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothpanda.livejournal.com
Yeah, I love Norse religion (primarily because it doesn't even try to make logical sense) and I always thought Odin kinda sounded like a douche. I'm a Baldur girl I guess. :P

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Date: 2006-12-20 03:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] itlandm.livejournal.com
Yeah, Baldur was always so popular with the girls for some reason.

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Date: 2006-12-20 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
He was a BMOC type who died tragically due to the machinations of an evil relative. I see a ton of slash-fic potential there, and an abundance of Willow Foxblades.

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Date: 2006-12-20 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
I bet half the sales are from Mommy and Daddy Fundie desperately trying to connect to their Harry Potter-reading, HTML-coding, Dungeons and Dragons playing son or daughter.

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Date: 2006-12-20 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
Quite frankly, if you were a christian you wouldn't want your daughters reading teen mags. Even twenty, thirty years ago they were full of plenty of stuff that goes against the religion.

It would be a brilliant idea if it was sold at cost. There should be a choice of children's reading that doesn't advocate stuff that goes against the christian ideals. I read mags as a kid, and I sure as hell don't want my 13 yr old to know how to give a great blowjob or how to take drugs at minimal risk.

The idea is sound, but I don't like the way they throw verses everywhere. The example given was a little creepy. It would mean that kids are absorbing the exact doctrine of the writer rather than what Mum and Dad are teaching.

I wish people would stop Christian bashing. They have a right to their beliefs the same as everyone else.

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Date: 2006-12-20 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
...and we have the right to mock them mercilessly!

I am Christian, but the American fundies provide me with much amusement.

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Date: 2006-12-20 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
Also, "Christian bashing"? I don't see Christians beaten and killed for being Christian (unlike, you know, gay bashing) in the Western world. I know it happens in China, though.

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Date: 2006-12-20 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
FWIW, I took the bashing as just referring to the loud complaining about a particular group. Even when I hear the phrase "gay bashing", I think of idiots airing their prejudices at high volume and with sweeping generalizations, generally while not moving from their chairs, rather than Matthew Shepard.

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Date: 2006-12-21 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
They get do beaten, but you're right, I have a western perspective, and am expecting a lot. I just spend so much time with people of other religions, and I hate the way they think about Christians. It's so fashionable to be something else, if you're Buddhist or Wiccan or even satanic people don't bat an eye. But if you say you're Christian, people jump down your throat for being a mindless sheep bent on curbing their freedom of expression.

I just want the perfect world yeah?

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Date: 2006-12-21 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I think you live in a vastly different world from the rest of us.

For what it's worth, I think equally badly of most religions. Of some of them, I think worse.

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Date: 2006-12-22 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
Yes. I do. I think it might be an Australian thing. Americans can stand up and say they are christian, but here if you try that a horde of alternate religions rains down and tries to make you mend the errors of your blind beliefs.

I would like to think that we are free to follow our chosen religion, but unless it's a socially acceptable.... Reverse bigotry I guess. Tall poppies and all that.

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Date: 2006-12-21 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
You're not being thrown to the lions. You're being mocked. Suck it up and deal like a big girl, go home to mama and cry, or write about it in your LJ, but you're not being persecuted (you're part of the majority in Australia). "According to the 2001 census, 67 percent of citizens considered themselves to be Christian, including 26 percent Roman Catholic and 20 percent Anglican. Buddhists constituted 1.9 percent of the population, Muslims 1.5 percent, Hindus 0.5 percent, Jews 0.4 percent, and all others professing a religion 0.5 percent."

I also want a perfect world. A world with lots and lots of mockery and snark, where the people who can't deal with it just shut up.

No, I'm not a nice person. But since I don't live in the Norwegian town that mandated cheerfulness, I don't have to be.

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Date: 2006-12-21 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I don't live in the Norwegian town that mandated cheerfulness,

Tell me more of this seemingly hilarious place!

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Date: 2006-12-21 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
I can't find anything about it online. Incredibly frustrating!

As you may or may not know, Swedish jokes are often about our stupid neighbours the Norwegians. (And vice versa.) So, when the Norse do dumb things, it's reported in Swedish news under human interest, as "Norwegian joke come true". This was one of those articles, some ten or so years ago.

A Norwegian town council had decided on an ordinance, that required everyone to be cheerful (or perhaps happy). The mayor commented with "We believe it's unhealthy to see pouty faces all day. Smile, and you'll make everyone else happy, too." I think there was a fine for being grouchy.

I have no idea how the social experiment turned out, but it struck a nerve in the angry teenager I used to be.

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Date: 2006-12-20 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jsbowden.livejournal.com
You'd have a point if the mindless fucks weren't attempting to legislate their delusion.

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Date: 2006-12-20 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I believe you're trying to respond to someone else, but your comment came to the main post.

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Date: 2006-12-20 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
The Personal Promise Bible is really creeping me out, for some reason.

As is the quoted article.

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Date: 2006-12-21 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
Fair enough! I just like to campaign for the underdogs, and I'm sick and tired of pagans especially whingeing that Christians are ruining the world. The same applies to muslims atm.

Those sort of people need to step back and look at themselves.

Mind you, I've also campaigned for emo rights, and we all know that they don't deserve it.... *goes into hiding*

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Date: 2006-12-21 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
This was in reply to Thette.

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Date: 2006-12-21 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
No, the people who are in a majority, and definitely not underdogs by any definition of the word, are whining. Whine, whine, whine.

If you're so emo, just slit your wrists already.

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Date: 2006-12-22 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
What's all this about? Do you have your tongue in your cheek or not?

Did my using the word emo offend you? Does it make you want to change me? I was, if you cared to read, being lightly offensive to the breed, and lay no claim to being one. Nor have I claimed to be christian.

Christianity is such a minority where I am. To admit being one is to invite ridicule and people forcing their own religions upon you. My observations are obviously taken from a society quite different from yours. There's no point to continuing this because we are probably both right for our different regions.

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Date: 2006-12-22 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
You say you're Australian on your user info page. Christianity is a large majority in Australia.

You say you fight for emo rights. Emo people have all the rights everyone else has, and it doesn't include a right not to be mocked.

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Date: 2006-12-25 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siouxsyn.livejournal.com
This is what I mean by we can't really talk, my background is too different.

The statistics of my country has nothing to do with the people that I personally meet. Emos have all the rights of everyone else except that they get targeted for violence as well as mocking.

I'm used to talking to people who do understand my surroundings, have been to Australia and get my points. I should never have entered this thread, but I didn't know that everything was so different there.

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Date: 2006-12-22 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thette.livejournal.com
And no, I'm not tongue in cheek. That's what I say to emo people. I can't stand the little whiners.

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Date: 2006-12-21 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smashingstars.livejournal.com
I am all for people being allowed to believe in whatever god(ess(es)) they want as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else, and I try hard not to engage in mindless bashing of religions who are not actively trying to change laws to further their religious causes.

However, when I read this:

As you wash away the stain, praise God for cleansing us from all the wrong things we have done. (1 John 1:9)

it made me want to point and laugh at the nearest Christian. I'm a bad person.

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