US AIR FORCE UUUU-BER ALLES!

[theweaselking]

Because, of course, using Nazi slogans in your recruiting material is EXACTLY the right decision when you've been (accurately) described as a bigoted organisation that feels religious recruitment into bizarre evangelical cults is more important that, y'know, flying planes.

Comments

[xrmndml.livejournal.com]

Uber Alles is not a Nazi slogan. The song was written in the 1800's and was adopted by Germany pre-Nazi regime as the national anthem. Thats not to say that the Nazi's didn't grab hold of the idea with both hands and highlight the "uber alles" above all the other lyrics, however, it is STILL the national anthem of Germany.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Only the third stanza is the national anthem, and it doesn't contain the "Deutschland über alles" phrase.

(I mean, the whole thing used to be the national anthem, but West Germany actually didn't have one for a while, and then readopted the third stanza, and East Germany had something else altogether.)

[xrmndml.livejournal.com]

That is true. However, I did do slightly more fact checking than John on this one.

I also disagree with the person below who claims that using the first verse it violates Germany's anti-nazi laws. Everything I've read indicates its fine to use, just might make you seem Right Wing. It was banned by the Allies for a while immediately after the war, but I haven't been able to find confirmation it's illegal now, and I've found instances of its use (such as when Germany has won Soccer matches).

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Most things I've found indicates it's legal to use, which is not necessarily the same as just fine (and I do realize that the site that refers to it as verboten is a store, not an academic site).

Got a reference for where (besides the '54 FIFA World Cup) it's shown up for soccer matches, or at other events? You're ahead of me, since I can only find the Wikipedia page, which only indicates that the first stanza predominated at the '54 FIFA thing, and can't find any other mention of it being sung at an event (barring missysedai's mention below).

[missysedai.livejournal.com]

Bah. The Hancock Tower's motto is "Above All", too.

And, as the person above noted, Ueber Alles is not a Nazi slogan. You're stretching here.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I've only *ever* heard "Deutschland Uber Alles" as a nazi slogan. I wasn't aware it was the current national anthem.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

They point it the right direction, though.

[lafinjack.livejournal.com]

That was interesting. Keyword-based spambot?

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Appears to be. I've had six of them on this post alone, today, all from the same IP.

They post phrases that are almost appropriate to the conversation, usually offensive or antisemitic, in the hopes that you'll pay attention. They've all got a single gargantuan gibberish post on their journal with a shitload of links to one spam-friendly domain hosted on a notoriously spam-friendly ISP in France.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

No, but if the US Air Force used one and claimed it was "just a Hindu symbol, whatsyerproblem," I'd damn well hold it against them.

[missysedai.livejournal.com]

Are you serious? Dude.

At the very least, I would have thought you would have picked it up from my tales of jumping up on my chair at the German-American Festival to hoist my beer and sing it at the top of my little Kraut lungs.

It came before them, it's still here after them, and I don't expect it will ever go away. It's actually a pretty inspiring anthem (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=669741), and it makes me sad that so many will forever associate it with the Nazis.

[elffin.livejournal.com]

The first stanza, which begins "Deutschland, Deutschland Ueber Alles, Ueber Alles Im den Welt", was used by Nazi Germany, followed by the Nazi anthem "Horst-Wessel-Lied".

The current German anthem is solely the third stanza of Fallersleben's lyrics, specifically because the first stanza mentions geographical markers that encompass an area that was outside West Germany when adopted, because it continues to encompass an area larger than modern Germany, and laws exist(ed) in West, East, and modern reunified Germany that prevent resurrecting Nazi movements and Nazi sympathies - laws that outlaw singing the first verse specifically because it is considered to be a sign of Nazi sympathies.

The interpretation of the first verse, and especially "Ueber Alles" or "Over All" in the way the US Air Force has used it - Incredibly significant of Nazismus.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

It's "Above All, A Great Time"; that's a little different.

(That said, I really think that as a slogan, it comes across as a great sentence fragment. The USAF's, not the Hancock Tower. Mind you, I might just be twitching over the cyberspace thing.)

[sivi-volk.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've always associated "Uber Alles" with the Nazis, too. Well, that and California, thank you Dead Kennedys.

[eididdy.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that was a bit of a stretch.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Speaking of which--air, space, cyberspace? WTF?

(Is this like the way the Department of the Treasury used to handle the Secret Service?)

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

"Used to"?

The Secret Service is still part of the enforcement arm of the Treasury.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Nope. Homeland took it over.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

Then...who handles enforcement of counterfieting?

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Secret Service.

They just don't report to SecTreas any more.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

But...but...BLARGLEFRADJFDFD.....

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Don't know, don't care. Honestly, my interest in the Secret Service is primarily the neat little factoid that the people responsible for the President's security work(ed) for the Treasury. Maybe Treasury's got someone else doing it, maybe the Secret Service is still doing it under Homeland's auspices.

Kind of like the interest I'm developing in the Air Force's implied claim of jurisdiction in their new logo--air, space, cyberspace. Seriously, cyberspace? What the hell?

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

Well, they're constantly looking for means to back up their ridiculous budget. Currently and for the last decade or so their only real purpose(ie, one that isn't partially born by other services) is running the nuclear facilities. But even then, they have Marines guarding all of them.

The cyber-space angle grew out of them putting a lot of money into developing what is now the military's world-wide telecoms network, both the secure and open sections. That got them involved in security which then moved them into cyber-crime and now they're apparently deploying "attack units"....?

Any job that has a chair is the chair force's?

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

I'm just glad they're not a real military branch.