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[theweaselking]

"Girls do not get to save the day. That is not their job, unless God absolutely can’t get His hands on anybody with a penis right at that moment." - cmpriest explaining the fiction of her childhood, and, related, why Alien is awesome.

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[kadath.livejournal.com]

You know who I didn't realize is a stone-cold badass until I was a grownup? Dorothy Gale. She will drop a house on you, storm your castle, and conquer your country, and you will fucking thank her for it.

[dreamshade.livejournal.com]

I was always fond of Miss Bianca, if that counts for anything.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

And she wasn't even TRYING.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

Just in the first book, even! In the later books, she continues her campaign of conquest under the banner of Oz, and gets minions who do the same.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

Of course, Dorothy is basically just a fallback to the OTHER required stereotype....


Virgin.
The power of chastity and all that bullshit.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

Well, she's a child and Oz is a child's world. It's not that sexuality is a bad thing in Oz; it simply doesn't exist. I think the closest thing to a sexual being was Princess Langwidere in Ozma of Oz, and I'm stretching to turn "vanity" into "sexuality."

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

She was Gilead and the Virgin Mary all rolled into one.

And her primary victims were women who dared to rise above their station.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

Her primary adversary was the Nome King, who was the villain in four out of 14 of the Oz books written by Baum himself¹, only eight of which feature Dorothy as the protagonist. Of the eight featuring Dorothy, three are travelogues with no central villain², including one of the books featuring the Nome King, two are against the Nome King³, one is against a male villain not the Nome King⁴, and two feature female villains⁵.

In the books where Dorothy is not the protagonist, there are another two essentially villainless travelogues⁶, two with male villains (including another appearance by the Nome King)⁷, one with female villains⁸, and one with a male-female pair, which was not written initially as an Oz book⁹.

1. Ozma of Oz, The Emerald City of Oz, Tiktok of Oz, The Magic of Oz
2. Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz, The Road to Oz, The Emerald City of Oz
3. Ozma of Oz, The Magic of Oz
4. The Lost Princess of Oz
5. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Glinda of Oz
6. The Patchwork Girl of Oz, The Tin Woodman of Oz
7. Tik-Tok of Oz, The Scarecrow of Oz
8. The Marvelous Land of Oz
9. Rinkitink in Oz

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

I have been bitch-slapped, and verily.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

What an unfortunate choice of term, in a discussion where you were arguing that Oz was bad because it was antifeminist just ONE POST AGO.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

Have you no appreciation for irony? The word-choice was intentional.

And my point was slightly more of the "Baum, while attempting to break free of prior restrictions on female heroines common to his time stumbled right into many of the underlying stereo-typical female archetypes in his storytelling".

But I've been awake since 4pm yesterday and it's...um...10pm?
So, I blame the toxins.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

It didn't strike me as funny enough to be intentional. I suspect mismatched humour calibrations.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

I was attempting to off-set my prior slip into diatribe...ie....ness.

[crazy-alexy.livejournal.com]

Growing up in a situation much like hers (only my dad was the psycho religious asswipe*), that link really rocked my socks. :) Thanks.

[atlasimpure.livejournal.com]

God needing to get his hands on a penis puts the whole Catholic priest issue in a new light...