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Date: 2008-07-16 11:56 pm (UTC)
hel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hel
wow, it totally took me half a dozen wtfs to (maybe) figure out what it was going for. I thought it was saying something like medium caliber handguns are weak in terms of bullet penetration and give massages instead of shooting people.
....my brain is weird. :)

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Date: 2008-07-17 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hypatiasghost.livejournal.com
Is this unfortunate art, or is the installation in this case saying that the message is the medium?

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Date: 2008-07-17 01:02 am (UTC)
hel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hel
huh. well, according to wikipedia, marshall mcluhan had audio recordings called the medium is the massage, of his works being interrupted. I was figuring it to be a typo, never having heard of those. So, now I'm just utterly confused as to what this is supposed to be saying. Maybe 'guns don't kill people, books do, at least if you hit the people hard enough with them'. *smirk*

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Date: 2008-07-17 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drjamez.livejournal.com
McLuhan did write a book with Massage in the title and also used the name for some lectures. He wrote about the Message version in a couple of books, notably Understanding Media. I don't think he wrote a book with Message in the title. [Edited out a bit about the title in the image.]

I like the image. It gets to the point. ;-)

The Medium is the Massage is a bit more artsy with lots of poetic stanzas and pictures than most of his other works.

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Date: 2008-07-17 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
I know who Marshall McLuhan was, but I still have no clue what this is about.

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Date: 2008-07-17 01:04 am (UTC)
hel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hel
Wikipedia says there was an audio recording of McLuhan's works being interrupted, called the medium is the massage. I'd never heard of it, so now I'm just utterly lost, even more so than I was!
Edited Date: 2008-07-17 01:05 am (UTC)

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Date: 2008-07-17 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
I'm even aware of the book, if only vaguely.

Perhaps if I'd ever read the book I'd have some sort of clue as to what this "art" is about, but I don't.

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Date: 2008-07-17 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com
To quote from that book (from memory, so pardon me if I screw it up):

Art is
anything you can
get away with


Alas, I don't recall what images were on those pages.

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Date: 2008-07-17 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
Huh. I thought Andy Warhol said that, and Google seems to have mixed opinions on the matter.

Eeeenteresting.

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Date: 2008-07-18 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com
I know it was in the book; whether he came up with it or was quoting Warhol, I'm not certain.

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Date: 2008-07-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitteringlynx.livejournal.com
Do you know what he meant by "the medium is the message?"

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Date: 2008-07-17 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
Well, that's a little confusing to me.

I know what Wikipedia says about the title The Medium is the Massage--that "McLuhan adopted the term 'massage' to denote the effect each medium has on the human sensorium, taking inventory of the 'effects' of numerous media in terms of how they 'massage' the sensorium."

As for "The Medium is the Message" (which by some accounts was the original title of the book, changed due to a printer's error), what I understand he meant was that media changes society, regardless of the content delivered--that television (for example) changes how people interact with each other, whether they're watching Friends or The History Channel.

I suppose those two messages are roughly equivalent to one another.

I'm not all that familiar with his work, though; I just have a passing knowledge.

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Date: 2008-07-17 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitteringlynx.livejournal.com
You're close.

What he had observed is that the views that society hold affect what messages we convey, but at the same time the message we use to convey that message affects societal views. So for example, if society tends to like thin people, then we will use thin people in ads or as models or actors/actresses. By thus using thin people, the message that thin people are valued is reaffirmed in society.

Most often, the media as in tv, movies, ads and radio are commonly what are meant. However books, banners, protests, websites.. anything can be the medium used to get a message across. However I don't think back then he could've imagined the extent to which we socialise ourselves in that manner in this day and age.

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Date: 2008-07-17 12:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frith
Masseuse! The medium is a masseuse and she decked the butler with tarot cards in the parlor.

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Date: 2008-07-17 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitteringlynx.livejournal.com
As you probably know, Marshall McLuhen was Canadian. :)

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