I have seen the future.

Roe does allow the state to place restrictions on late-term abortions. It's not a position I agree with, but seven months is within the third trimester and thus subject to restriction.

The article is simultaneously so biased and badly written that it's impossible to venture a good guess as to what the hell is going on. I lean toward miscarriage, since a home abortion that was able to sever the umbilical cord in utero (MY ENTIRE ASS) would have fucked the poor woman up so badly there's no way she would have been out of the hospital after two days.

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Aha, Jezebel says umbilical prolapse, which makes so much more sense. (Said prolapse will lead to stillbirth unless immediately treated.)

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flemco.livejournal.com

Fuck babies and fuck rights for the unborn.

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Pardon me? I do believe I've mis-understood you, and want to make certain that this is the case... Are you saying you believe this to have been an intentional thing?

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If I might step in, I interpret his statement as to saying "Fuck rights for the unborn that place grievous and impossible restrictions upon the born that carry them, especially when the born are held criminally responsible for acts of nature that harm the unborn."

I could be wrong, but that's my take.

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That would certainly make a certain amount of proper sense, yes. Still- open to quite a bit of interpretation, given its briefness and choice of language.

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Flemco didn't say anything on that one way or the other.

He just does not support rights for the unborn and - as I wish to restrict my interpretation to previous experience with his stated opinions - thinks that infants are a PITA and that it will be funny to troll people who take him absolutely seriously.

Ever wonder whether that person, on the internet, /really means/ what they're saying or if they're trying to just get your goat?

Well, I believe that if you count, you will not find a goat in your backyard.

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hypatiasghost.livejournal.com

I say, sir! You are correct! Just five minutes ago I had a whole herd of goats, and then I signed onto the internet!

*grins* I really just love the way you phrased that last sentence.

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aw, shucks.

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Thank you, that *Was* the secondary thought... funny- I never noticed the bridge there before.

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pope-guilty.livejournal.com

I think it would be more succinct to say "Fuck the concern for the unborn that makes this prosecution even conceivable."

Haha, conceivable!

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Ah yes, that would also have worked to avert confusion.

(Hee!)

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this made me say "wtf?!?!!" so i'm reposting your post in wtf_inc

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IF it's a case of umbilical prolapse after the water broke making this possible, the prosecution still has to prove /mens rea/, AND that - beyond a shadow of a doubt - there is no way the umbilical cord could have been severed by accident or natural process.

To do so, they're going to have to determine that the cord was severed by a X-Acto or other razor, and if not, and if the ends don't match, their case is worthless on facts.

And they /still/ aren't going to be able to prove /mens rea/ unless she says something.

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And they'll have to prove the boyfriend didn't do it. (Not that that'll be hard, since, y'know, women are evil lying whores who are uniformly capable of performing a finicky procedure on a part of their body they can't see without a mirror, while in premature labor.)

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I can conceive of a possibility where her water broke, the cord prolapsed, she put her hand down there and a fingernail / ring entered a loop and severed it, entirely on accident. I can conceive of a possibility of a stupid new boyfriend trying to help his new girlfriend out by playing midwife (which would be reckless of him). I can conceive of a possibility where it occurred during sexual intercourse. I can conceive of a possibility where she did it herself, thinking that the baby was on its' way but that the cord was blocking it (and stupidity - if it was stupidity - isn't criminal).

If she made a confession to medical staff, it wouldn't necessarily be in the power of the police to disclose that, so that wouldn't be in the news. Officers and staff might have confused bereavement with guilt.

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Oh sure, there're about a million innocent scenarios, and, like, three malicious ones. I was just pointing out that in the case where they do demonstrate that the cord was cut with a sharp edge, they have to prove that it wasn't the boyfriend who did it.

Also, you're giving the cops and DA way more credit than I would.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that either the lady herself or the medical staff are the ones from whom originated the notion that the cord was severed intentionally.

The medical staff had to have some reason to bring this to the attention of the police, but there I can see how there might be a law or policy requiring the police to investigate all stillborn deaths, that the medical staff might be forced to report such a thing, and an officer might have posited that the cord would have to be severed intentionally, without supporting statements on this from the medical staff. If so, please give me a time machine and a golf club and a name (someone is a pig).

The medical staff might have jumped to the intentional conclusion themselves after examining the evidence - which is reasonable to suspect, and I can conceive of how the law would then require them to contact the police for an investigation. I would /hope/ there be something material for them to hold her on, but this is American police.

So, it really, really needs for all the facts to come out in trial.

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and, like, three malicious ones.

Are any of the malicious ones medically possible?

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Yes. Medically possible without access to prescription drugs and specialized knowledge, or at least loads of research on the part of the boyfriend?* No.

This is, however, assuming that the woman had no injuries consistent with a home-induced abortion, poisoning, or the sort of beating that might induce a miscarriage. Which one hopes the hospital would have reported.

About the only scenario with malicious intent I could credit is on the part of the boyfriend--if he were a bit smart, he could have cut the prolapsed umbilical cord.

*I do not consider a woman attempting to end her own pregnancy malicious, regardless of what local abortion restrictions are.

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PS. Also, the medical staff at the hospital could have royally fucked up and are now trying to cover up malpractice by committing multiple felonies.

I don't much like that possibility, but it is a possibility. I should have thought of it sooner.

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And they /still/ aren't going to be able to prove /mens rea/ unless she says something.

She's just had a miscarriage, and been charged with murder, and she's in the hands of American cops. They're going to find *something* they can take out of context and twist into being incriminating, assuming they don't simply do what Jesus would obviously want and just lie.

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They'll charge a photographer who photographed a cop - who objected to being photographed, told the photographer that it was illegal to do so, and arrested him for it - with a law which explicitly states that taking the photo is only illegal if it's for the express purpose of sexually arousing the viewer.

So, yes, you are most likely correct in that the police never, ever, admit they're wrong, and commit even greater wrongs to cover up the original wrong.

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Also: If their case is built on "We're charging her with manslaughter because she didn't immediately seek medical help and a bunch of stuff happened and /that's reckless/" and nothing more, they deserve every inch of the legal-ass-beating they deserve when she sues them for malicious prosecution. The only thing evident so far to motive is her ex-boyfriend's opinions.

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graethorne.livejournal.com

Pitchforks and torches ...

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Too good for them. So too is the boiling tar, but it's a start...

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hypatiasghost.livejournal.com

I spent my early childhood in Florence, AL. :-/ My dad worked at Hellen Keller. It was a cesspool of idiocy then. It looks like it's gotten worse. :(

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