It's Red Dawn all over again!! I knew those Russians couldn't resist picking a fight with us for old times sake!
Are you kidding! This is every rednecks wet dream! I've always wanted to take out a Russian Tank on Williams Street...(Runs to assemble his Rocket Launcher)
Usually, if you declare yourself a state and break off from the motherland, you end up fighting a war against the motherland. Not against the frigging neighbors.
(Yes, I know it's more complicated than that. Still.)
It's even worse than that... they're saying that they're independent, but the Russians are saying they're Russians. This is lining up for a first-class clusterfuck.
This actually reminds me more of the history of Texas.
(Note: I'm a Yankee, but as I recall from history class: it used to be a province of Mexico, and then declared independence, was an independent state briefly, and then was annexed by the US. At which point Mexico, who still thought Texas was theirs, but were willing to accept their stubborn independence so they would have a buffer between them and the Monroe Doctrine-bolstered USA, wasn't so happy. Cue Mexican-American War.)
Yup. What you need, in order to do that, depends on the situation.
The USA needed to make things too expensive for the world's only superpower to bother further with them.[1]
The CSA needed to win a war *they started* against a numerically, economically, and technologically superior country.
The Republic Of China needs to convince the world that accepting the People's Republic Of China's disapproval is less problematic than the profits of recognizing them.
Canada, Australia, and India[2] just needed to ask.
[1]: Iraq is in the middle of the same conflict, right now, oddly enough.
[2]: Well, *eventually* they just needed to ask. There were a couple of rebellions before that.
technicality. We did it. Granted, we also fought a war for it, but I suspect that the people behind the declaration of independence didn't still see themselves as english citizens when that war was fought.
though, certainly, unless you have teh financial or military might to back your claim up, it happens at the whim of your former nation.
Heh. A certain DC Comics character had an "incapacitating" noisemaker device that operated at "300 dB". She slapped it on people's heads and they collapsed in pain.
Yeeeeeah... according to this, they would do something a lot more spectacular than collapse in pain. They would, however, be very thoroughly and permanently incapacitated.
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Date: 2008-08-08 05:05 pm (UTC)Responding before I look into the link!
Date: 2008-08-08 05:09 pm (UTC)Are you kidding! This is every rednecks wet dream! I've always wanted to take out a Russian Tank on Williams Street...(Runs to assemble his Rocket Launcher)
Bombs over Atlanta!
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Date: 2008-08-08 05:33 pm (UTC)And they're blowing the shit out of places that are inarguably Georgia.
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Date: 2008-08-08 05:37 pm (UTC)Or the united states, for that matter.
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:03 pm (UTC)(Yes, I know it's more complicated than that. Still.)
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-08-08 06:08 pm (UTC)DECLARING YOURSELF AN INDEPENDENT STATE DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN INDEPENDENT STATE.
There are other, larger, more important requirements for independence than simply saying so.
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-08-08 06:50 pm (UTC)(Note: I'm a Yankee, but as I recall from history class: it used to be a province of Mexico, and then declared independence, was an independent state briefly, and then was annexed by the US. At which point Mexico, who still thought Texas was theirs, but were willing to accept their stubborn independence so they would have a buffer between them and the Monroe Doctrine-bolstered USA, wasn't so happy. Cue Mexican-American War.)
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:42 pm (UTC)The USA needed to make things too expensive for the world's only superpower to bother further with them.[1]
The CSA needed to win a war *they started* against a numerically, economically, and technologically superior country.
The Republic Of China needs to convince the world that accepting the People's Republic Of China's disapproval is less problematic than the profits of recognizing them.
Canada, Australia, and India[2] just needed to ask.
[1]: Iraq is in the middle of the same conflict, right now, oddly enough.
[2]: Well, *eventually* they just needed to ask. There were a couple of rebellions before that.
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:51 pm (UTC)though, certainly, unless you have teh financial or military might to back your claim up, it happens at the whim of your former nation.
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:39 pm (UTC)The new Russia is scary shit... loose cannons with memories of empire, plus rule-of-law dysfunction even worse than the USA.
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:45 pm (UTC)Now, if only I knew how to read in decibels...
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Date: 2008-08-08 06:30 pm (UTC)"Yeah, we're kinda pissed at them, so we're running their shit over with tanks."
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