It's so true.

[theweaselking]

pope_guilty brings the love.

Newsflash, Americans.

You have a broken, backwards, inferior and incompetent system where there are only three choices:
1) Vote for Bush The Third
2) Vote for Obama
3) Don't vote.

Please note that while I personally consider 1 and 3 to be not equal, they are both fucking stupid.

It doesn't matter if Obama hates you personally and wants you, personally, individually, to suffer.

Because of your broken third-world banana-republic bullshit abortion of a failed democracy, you have only the option of "bad" or "worse".

And voting "worse" makes you even MORE stupid than your idiotic fellows.

This message has been brought to you by the HOLY FUCK WHAT ARE YOU DOING foundation, based in the WE BOUND OUR ECONOMY TO YOURS BECAUSE WE WERE SMOKING *WHAT* nation.

Have a nice day.

Comments

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Because you can't make an economy on whale blubber and soft wood lumber?

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Once you add water and power, you can!

You can.

We didn't.

STOP SCREWING UP MY LIFE YOU IDIOTS.

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Well, you HAD vast oil and coal reserves, but you decided you would have Nunavit.

[unnamed525.livejournal.com]

You say "choice" as if we really have a choice and the elections aren't rigged.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

The Republicans aren't set up to steal an election with more than a ~5% margin against them, and thus I wasn't worried until the past couple of months, when Obama suddenly revealed himself to be human and not the Anointed Savior of the Democrats--honestly, you'd think he could have kept up the act for six months.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

They got close to a 10% change in 2004.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

I don't disagree that the US voting system is made of fail, but, depending on the balloting rules of the state in question, your three choices are factually incorrect. Additionally, because of the electoral system, "if you don't vote for Obama you are helping McCain" is only true in swing states.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I didn't say that voting not-Obama means voting McCain. That is, as you say, only the case in close states.

I said that voting for neither McCain nor Obama was the same as not voting. Which is a statement I will happily defend. Your system is broken and provides you with three options: Republican, Democrat, or My Vote Or Lack Thereof Was Completely Irrelevant.

[kadath.livejournal.com]

Well, take my case: I'm in Massachusetts. We're the safest of Democratic safe states; our piddly electoral vote count is going to Obama, end of story. Thus, voting for either of the main parties renders my vote meaningless. If I want my vote to matter, I need to consider other areas, such as ballot access. If I pull a Green (Green-Rainbow here in good ol' MA) ballot in November, this will mean my vote helps ensure that voters are still able to choose the G-R candidate on state elections, which is a better tactical use of my vote than another drop in the bucket for Obama.

The analysis differs in other states, depending on how they're polling, their ballot access laws, and their method of counting electoral votes (and other factors I've forgotten, I'm sure.) For example, most states are winner-take-all, meaning whoever wins the state's popular vote gets all its electoral votes, but Maine allots its electoral votes by congressional district, so a voter in Maine has different choices to weigh than I do here in MA.

[booniecat.livejournal.com]

I hate that the political system has become a method, not of voting for a candidate, but against a candidate.

Granted, I am voting against Obama, but the fact still remains.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I gotta ask.

What's so awesome about John McCain that you're willing to vote *against* Obama and not *against* McCain?

In what way is he the *lesser* of two evils?

[eididdy.livejournal.com]

Wow, I didn't think my eyes could roll that much.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

What, you're going to tell me that voting "third party" is at all different from not voting at all?

Thoughts

[ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com]

You have a broken, backwards, inferior and incompetent system

This is true ...

where there are only three choices:
1) Vote for Bush The Third
2) Vote for Obama
3) Don't vote.

... but this is not. The Green Party is also fielding a Presidential campaign. So are various other alternative parties. The odds of them winning this election are vanishingly small, but some people will vote for those alternatives. Ignore the small parties at your peril: they do win some elections for local and state seats. A sufficiently depressed voter base could give them a real shot at the Presidency some year. In practical reality, the winner is always a Democrat or a Republican ... until it's not. Heck, you can even write in a vote for someone not even on the ticket.

The system is broken, but please don't exaggerate the nature of the wreckage. People need a clear view of what's wrong so they'll know what to fix.

Re: Thoughts

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Your vote for President only matter if it's Obama or McCain. Any other vote is the same as no vote at all, because no other vote has any chance of achieving a majority, and, without a majority, you get nothing.

It's the American Way!

[anivair.livejournal.com]

Sent that to Traci last night as a gift for her fundie mom. There's something innately funny about people that believe that crap. I find it endearing that they believe in the bad, but they don't really believe in the good. If I told them i was the antichrist or demon possessed, they'd string me up and probably kill me. But if I told them I was jesus or an angel, they'd laugh me out of their church ... or assume I was the antichrist or demon possessed and string me up or kill me.

Gotta love that kind of logic.

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

It's your usericon, dude.

[pope-guilty.livejournal.com]

Who are you talking about?

[chaosrah.livejournal.com]

I love this post. Thank you.

Well, America is more nuanced than that...

[ninjaguydan.livejournal.com]

In America, Politicians don't affect your life (unless you're one of those law abiding suckers)...I mean, they make laws and people still do what they want...it's all about checks and balances...the legislative is a check on the judical which is a check on the executive and vice versa, if the system is failing (As in mass hunger or economic depression) the second amendment (the right for the citizenry to be armed to the teeth) is a check on all three branches, cause we'll just shoot all the bastards.

-)

Re: Well, America is more nuanced than that...

[pope-guilty.livejournal.com]

You're so dumb it hurts.

[sivi-volk.livejournal.com]

*shrugs*

I say the same thing pretty much every time I read about "liberals" saying Obama's lost their vote becuase of his FISA position or some such thing.

[eris-esoteric.livejournal.com]

the HOLY FUCK WHAT ARE YOU DOING foundation

LOL! I'm totally stealing that. Oh yes.

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

It used to be better. The pres and the VP used to hate each other. Why?

In the good old days, 1st place got president, and second place got Vice. That's why the veep is the president of the Senate, and the House Speaker is third in line for Pres. That's also why the veep casts the tie-breaking vote in close Senate votes, so as not to (in the original intent) concentrate power in the Presidency.

Sadly, way back when, there was an electoral tie that nearly brought a constitutional crisis. They decided to "fix" it, horribly concentrating power in the party-ticket system.