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No, no, this level of pure consistent racism is *totally not* intentional, widespread, or a necessary precondition for Republican support these days. Really.

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Date: 2008-10-16 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninjaguydan.livejournal.com
Nah, it's just the underlying theme of the parties core beliefs...


-)

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Date: 2008-10-16 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unnamed525.livejournal.com
You just don't understand regular 'Mericans.

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Date: 2008-10-16 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodandra.livejournal.com
I registered as this now


My Unitarian Jihad Name (http://tinyurl.com/6valr) is: Sister Nail Gun of Forgiveness.


Get yours (http://www.whump.com/dropbox/other/ujname.html).



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Date: 2008-10-16 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dgillmore.livejournal.com
I shall henceforth be known as: Brother Gatling Gun of Mild Reason

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Date: 2008-10-17 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leighdb.livejournal.com
I am Sister Sword of Desirable Mindfulness!

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Date: 2008-10-16 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] botia.livejournal.com
"It's just food!"

Yes, and this is just my foot moving through the air. The fact that it connected with your ass was totally unintentional.

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Date: 2008-10-16 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
Have you ever seen this?

It wasn't something put forward by idiotic anonymous people on the Internet. That was an official GOP site that contained the slogan "Waterboard Barack Obama."

You kind of have to see it to believe it.


. . . Or, well, maybe not. It's all too believable.

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Date: 2008-10-16 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisrw109.livejournal.com
'An Official GOP Site' ... well.. sort of. In the same way that the Podunk, Iowa Democratic Party site is an 'Official Democratic Party' site.

It was posted by the local party, and was taken down because of pressure from, amongst others, senior Republicans.

Noone ever said that some of the fanatical insane morons don't actually work for the party.. on both sides.

I, sadly, know several of them. Living in VA is interesting, alot of people I know that work for the Dem party have in previous years wavered between foaming at the mouth desperation and deep ennui... but in the last year or so the republicans have gotten a little crazy at the thought that VA might be swingable.

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Date: 2008-10-17 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
Well of course the Podunk, Iowa Democratic Party is an "Official Democratic Party" site. It's endorsed and backed by the National Democrat Party, innit?

Or is there something I don't understand about the process?

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Date: 2008-10-17 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisrw109.livejournal.com
What you apparently don't understand is my point, so I'll sum up.

Not everything that is posted on a local Party Office website is the officially supported policy and vetted opinion of the RNC. This was an especially good example of that since other republicans made the lunatic who posted it take it down.

Officially sanctioned site.
Dumbass local party chair.
Stupid Local Decision.
Forced to take it down by the state party with multiple officials (including the governator) calling it offensive (if my reading of your link was correct).

If that's the case that seems to support the 'crazy individual' theory not 'entire racist party' theory.

Unless you're saying it was all spin?

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Date: 2008-10-16 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisrw109.livejournal.com
I will forevermore post under my true name as assigned by the Unitarian Jihad.
'Sibling Katana of Looking at All Sides of the Question'

Here's the thing though. There are *just* as many hateful ageist or sexist images and notes made by the Dems/Liberals targetting McCain/Palin as there are racist ones made against Obama.

Is this one, as was the last one, innately offensive? Yep.
Is the one featuring Palin with a gun to her head offensive too? Yep.

As I said in my response to the other post, *each* party has a vibrant lunatic fanatic subset, neither one is more right or more rational than the other.

Continuously posting these images, and pretending that there aren't also hateful liberals is exactly the kind of thing that you so often call people/institutions on, posting a micro-picture of a situation and calling that situation the whole truth.

It is, literally, the very behavior that you most often call out and mock, and for partaking in that kind of stupidity you've made yourself worthy of mockery.

(And mind you this is coming from an African American of mixed race, who's been on the receiving end of racism more often than he'd like to recall who finds the image incredibly offensive. Who is incredibly worried about what might happen if Obama wins and the level of venom in the campaign hasn't been defused, and what it will mean for America if someone incredibly stupid does something stupid. But it's absolutely ludicrous to pretend that only Republicans hate).

Sanctimony, Hypocrisy and the Demonization of those who disagree with you are not just Republican values... as you've amply demonstrated recently.

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Date: 2008-10-16 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
Please feel free to name specific cases if you wish; from my extern's point of view, however, I see a great disparity between the viciousness exercised by each of your two parties in this election and the willingness of those parties' leaders to mitigate it.

-- Steve thinks there's a great deal more than a coin-flip separating the American parties, a difference that has undermined the democratic principles upon which your republic was founded.

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Date: 2008-10-16 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
The Republicans have the no-contest win in unreconstructed racism, while the Democrats lean to aversive racism. Neither side has the advantage on sexism; they just use different flavors of it. The Democrats have a slight policy advantage in not explicitly desiring to codify sexism in law. They just don't do anything to stop it. This also used to be the case with homophobia, but we are seeing some progress there.

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Date: 2008-10-16 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisrw109.livejournal.com
There were several examples in the comments from the previous post (which I had no previously seen). I think the notable one for is the one with a rifle held to Palin's head, the one showing a fist knocking her out, and the 'what's the difference between your mouth and a vagina'.... all of which are differently hateful, and at least the latter is quite sexist.

There really isn't all that much difference between the Republican and Democratic parties at the moment. Their stances have switched slowly from where they had been historically, but where they are primarily now is 'We stand for the issues that you stand against'. It's really much more about power than it is about anything else regardless of the advertising.

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Date: 2008-10-17 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
I haven't seen *any* of the examples you cite. Care to point to them?

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Date: 2008-10-17 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harald387.livejournal.com
The Palin 'difference between your mouth and your vagina' one is going around. I'm disgusted enough by it that I'm not willing to dig up a link, and that takes some doing.

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Date: 2008-10-17 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisrw109.livejournal.com
All taken from the previous comment section or one link away:

The first three are fairly significantly bad, the fourth one is an interesting case. What's worse... one person spewing something hateful... or someone abusing his position to lean on those he's supposed to be teaching?

It's all one large bundle of f*cked up, and there is no 'good' there. Don't take this as me being pro-republican or anti-democrat.. because I'm not. I'm against stupidity regardless of what kind of badge they're wearing.

The mouth/vagina picture:
http://imagebot.org/debate.jpg

The McCain as racist lawn jockeys:
http://www.stargazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081014/NEWS01/810140328

Abort Sarah Palin Street Graffiti
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/29/abort-sarah-palin/

Professor requires class to write Anti Palin essays
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/15/update-deranged-anti-palin-prof-cleared/

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Date: 2008-10-17 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/
I don't know.

I'm tempted to say there's a difference between using historical, lethal, formerly institutionalized kinds of hate in your hate speech (like lynching) and using jokes about a vagina.

They're both bad, no doubt about it, but I don't think they're equivalent.

The equivalent for Palin would be if people advocated raping her or said her husband should beat some sense into her...because those are egregious, historically sanctioned forms of violence directed against women.

I'll have to parse this out a bit more though.

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Date: 2008-10-17 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
It wasn't very funny. And everyone knows that it's facually incorrect. Popeye's chicken and "grape drink" and I might have bought it ...

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Date: 2008-10-17 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittikattie.livejournal.com
Fuckin' honkeyshines.

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Date: 2008-10-17 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/
Yeah, I saw that last night.

Do you know the woman who sent it out had the audacity to say she doesn't think in racist terms, that she wasn't trying to offend anyone, and that watermelon, chicken, and kool-aid are "just food" to her?

If you're going to be a racist asshat, as least have the guts to own up to it. But don't try to pretend like you've been living in America all this time and have no idea.

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Date: 2008-10-17 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pvck.livejournal.com
Alright, honest question, since there seem to be a lot of people here interested in debating aspects of this:

So, I get it that it's racist. Fried chicken, watermelon, gotcha. Common tropes.

But... when did kool-aid become a race thing? I totally missed that memo.

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Date: 2008-10-17 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harald387.livejournal.com
I think it's related to the 'poor black folk / white trash' thing. Too poor to get fruit juice.

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Date: 2008-10-17 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/
Same thing.

Supposedly, Black people really like fried chicken, watermelon, and kool aid.

Been around at least since I was a kid, and I'm only in my early twenties. I'd wager it's been around even longer than tht.

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Date: 2008-10-21 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Usually it's grape/purple drink, not kool-aid.

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