I live in the middle of nowhere, go to a rather shitty university ('cause it's the cheapest!), and we haven't won a football game except on rare occasion for over six years (as far as I've known people in the marching band who have to go to every football game). We still reflect this kind of sports-favoring bias.
BTW, marching band directors should totally get paid more, and bands should get the funding footballs teams should give up for bein' shitty.
Only a very, very few coaches are being paid 1 million plus dollars to coach football too.
All the coaches surveyed for the chart above come from Division I schools where football brings in huge sums of money, not just for the school but also for the town.
KI'd really like you to sight some sources on that. Division I football in the states is probably the second biggest sports league in North America after the NFL. Given all the revenue streams that are coming in - national tv deals, tickets, concessions, merch, etc - I can't see how Division I football loses money.
That's not really accurate because those numbers are massaged more than a lottery winner at a stripmall 'spa & salon'.
The vast majority of university sports programs lose money. Only a very, very few are profitable.
If you look at individual university sports programs, this statement is true. Because most of the individual sports are money losers. But if you look at football specifically or look at the athletic department overall? I'd wager the vast majority of sports programs are profitable, even at the lower collegiate levels.
But when you narrow that further to Division I schools? Between Football programs and NCAA basketball etc, those programs do just fine.
Also remember for most schools the majority of the money that comes in to the school doesn't get directly labelled as 'athletic revenue'. Shares for TV deals from NCAA sports, concessions from the stadium etc, licensing for athletic apparel etc etc etc may be accounted for in very different ways.
Graduate level tuition costs a lot more than $17,000 a year.
That's probably just stipends and fellowships.
Remember, it's an average. So really high stipends and fellowships (like something from the National Science Foundation for example), pull the mean up.
I think they're only counting stipends, and maybe fellowships. Science/engineering grad students almost always get tuition covered by the school in exchange for TAing or RAing, plus a stipend; I only knew one full-time student in my grad program who was paying out of pocket, and he was only doing it because his parents had covered all his undergraduate school costs so he was going in debt-free.
Was that friend of yours just in graduate school? Or was he working for his Ph.D? It is actually pretty standard for universities to not give funding for people who are attempting to earn a terminal Masters in a program with a Ph.D. After all, how are they going to be able to pay the Ph.D student stipends?
(Sidenote: I say this as a first year Ph.D student.)
Just an MS. I was MS-track, too. My lab always had more MS-only students around than PhD--I sort of thought that was the norm. Maybe it's an engineering thing.
So, the President and the Coach would be the only members of the University that would not benefit from Obama's tax plan... Also, I wonder what this figure looks like when you compare high school teachers to coaches.
Wow, just how FUCT UP is that???? Guess it shows our society values celebrity/sports more than intelligence. Is it any reason the US is in such bad shape?
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Date: 2008-10-21 03:15 pm (UTC)"What do you mean the building is closed!"
"There's a football game today. All academic buildings are shut down."
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was a university."
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Date: 2008-10-21 03:31 pm (UTC)Also, I was below average salary as a grad student. I think my husband is too. :(
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Date: 2008-10-22 03:29 am (UTC)BTW, marching band directors should totally get paid more, and bands should get the funding footballs teams should give up for bein' shitty.
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Date: 2008-10-21 03:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 03:49 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 03:57 pm (UTC)All the coaches surveyed for the chart above come from Division I schools where football brings in huge sums of money, not just for the school but also for the town.
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Date: 2008-10-21 03:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 04:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 04:26 pm (UTC)The vast majority of university sports programs lose money. Only a very, very few are profitable.
If you look at individual university sports programs, this statement is true. Because most of the individual sports are money losers. But if you look at football specifically or look at the athletic department overall? I'd wager the vast majority of sports programs are profitable, even at the lower collegiate levels.
But when you narrow that further to Division I schools? Between Football programs and NCAA basketball etc, those programs do just fine.
Also remember for most schools the majority of the money that comes in to the school doesn't get directly labelled as 'athletic revenue'. Shares for TV deals from NCAA sports, concessions from the stadium etc, licensing for athletic apparel etc etc etc may be accounted for in very different ways.
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Date: 2008-10-21 04:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 05:06 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 06:41 pm (UTC)That's probably just stipends and fellowships.
Remember, it's an average. So really high stipends and fellowships (like something from the National Science Foundation for example), pull the mean up.
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Date: 2008-10-21 05:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 05:17 pm (UTC)(Sidenote: I say this as a first year Ph.D student.)
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Date: 2008-10-21 05:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 08:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-21 08:43 pm (UTC)Also, I wonder what this figure looks like when you compare high school teachers to coaches.
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Date: 2008-10-22 12:19 am (UTC)