Anyone living in Richmond, VA. Around here, they don't necessarily shoot to kill. They shoot for whatever they can get. Which is why, when I find out who taught some of the thugs around here to aim for the leg, we will have words.
well, in all fairness, the civil war re-enactment stuff does sort of require shooting. Somehow just pointing your gun and saying "Bang!" doesn't cut it.
that said, there are at least two problems with this theory.
1) you don't need to aim at someone to shoot at someone directly. 2) civil war re-enactment is stupid.
However, point a is moot. Aiming at the other army is how you fight a war. If you're firing blanks from half a field away, I don't see the reason not to. Also, there's no reason you have to be aiming at someone to hit them. I'm sure not all these people are marksmen.
Which pretty much leaves number 2 (since I'm sure the live ammunition wasn't loaded on purpose).
people, please ... let the civil war die. it's over. Done. That people keep clinging t the war, the flags, the issues is embarrassing.
For some reason, I now have the urge to go put on my own Civil War outfit (this is Richmond) and head up to the White House of the Confederacy for a photo. I blame you, namely because the White House of the Confederacy is exactly 100 yards from the Emergency Room entrance at MCV. My appearing in long skirts, petticoats, and non-combatant's sash would certainly earn me a lot of attention from my co-workers, that's for certain.
Oh, if I ever get up the courage, you may rest assured that there will be pictures. Unfortunately, the thought of my being laughed at by the majority of my colleagues is a sobering thought.
Yeah, because, I mean, the Confederate states *saying* that the only reason they started the Slaver's Treason was to protect slavery, and that they would have been happy to stay if they could have kept slavery, THAT'S not important. What's important is that racist white people can wave the slaver's flag at blacks and then say "what? It's nothing serious! You're overreacting!" when called on it.
Hey, now, just because someone waves a slaver's flag doesn't mean anything! The fact that everyone else who knows the origin of the flag is horrified at its use doesn't mean anything!
1) You're oversimplifying the issues behind the civil war 2) You're oversimplifying and exaggerating the positions of everyone who disagreed with you on the flag issue.
Noone said that slavery wasn't a reason. What they said is that slavery wasn't the *only* reason.
"Slaver's Treason"! That's a new one on me. I've heard War Between the States, War of Northern Agression, War of Southern Rebellion, The Recent Unpleasantness, and just The War, but Slaver's Treason is new.
What I'm curious about is why people who fly the Confederate battle flag to declare their Southern Pride choose to use that particular flag. The Confederacy had a lot of flags, a couple of them more "offical" than the battle flag.
Lincoln declared in August 1862 that the war wasn't about slavery and it was not being fought over the issue of slavery.
That the 13 secessionists declared the institution of slavery, as defined by the constitution, to be their principle reason for secession does not make it the reason for the war, which wasn't started by the secession itself, etc etc etc.
(and no, I didn't get into an argument at flemco's because it's something a bit too emotive, but I am currently rereading my favourite ACW history book and have a lot of the issues in my head anyway)
It was only the religious extremists that wanted to start a war to free the slaves, most of those fighting on the union side were fighting for the union and constitution as was...
The war was to prevent the secession, and the sole reason for the secession- according to the secessors themselves- was slavery. So while the North wasn't fighting for abolitionism (at least at the beginning), the South was certainly fighting against it.
The South *did* fight to keep the slaves from being freed.
EVERY LAST ONE of the slave states cited "we are seceding because we want to keep slavery" as their *primary* reason for secession, and for half of them it was their *only* reason.
(Texas said that they wanted slavery, and also Mexicans and Indians were filthy savages that they wanted to keep *out* of their territory. So Texas really hasn't changed, any, since then)
Slavery was the reason for secession. Protection of slavery was *the sole and entire* reason the slave states wanted out of the union. Maintaining slavery was why they attacked the North.
And much like the South, some people just never know when to give up old battles. ;)
All I ever can think of when I read another "you shouldn't have pride in being Southern" is the ever-appropriate song lyric, "Southern man don't need him around anyhow."
And I still don't think the Confederate Battle flag is inherently associated with celebrating the fact that southerner's owned slaves.
As for wishing for a time when slaves could be owned, does that make all the SCA people racist too? That's one of the things that's always amused me, people act like blacks were the only race ever to be enslaved. African's enslaved white Christians, Egyptians enslaved Jews, etc, etc.
I understand that the most recent episode is going to get more publicity, but doesn't mean ever other incident gets a blind eye turned to it.
I'm disappointed that this happened about a month ago and there are still no stories on Google News talking about how John Wayne Dumbass was arrested on four charges of second-degree fuckwittery. This is not well-regulated militia, it's reckless endangerment.
But, seriously, are we the only nation that is cool with performing wide-scale reenactments of emotionally unsettled wars and allowing proponents of the losing side to walk around with weapons that are capable of firing ammunition?
When my mother was a young girl, she was at a big town get-together (she was in a play of some sort, IIRC, and was waiting backstage at the time) and was shot in the gut by a stray bullet fired by a reenactor who used live ammo. She (obviously) survived but it was a close thing for a while there.
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Date: 2008-10-27 02:52 pm (UTC)that said, there are at least two problems with this theory.
1) you don't need to aim at someone to shoot at someone directly.
2) civil war re-enactment is stupid.
However, point a is moot. Aiming at the other army is how you fight a war. If you're firing blanks from half a field away, I don't see the reason not to. Also, there's no reason you have to be aiming at someone to hit them. I'm sure not all these people are marksmen.
Which pretty much leaves number 2 (since I'm sure the live ammunition wasn't loaded on purpose).
people, please ... let the civil war die. it's over. Done. That people keep clinging t the war, the flags, the issues is embarrassing.
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Date: 2008-10-27 04:13 pm (UTC)2) You're oversimplifying and exaggerating the positions of everyone who disagreed with you on the flag issue.
Noone said that slavery wasn't a reason. What they said is that slavery wasn't the *only* reason.
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Date: 2008-10-27 05:26 pm (UTC)What I'm curious about is why people who fly the Confederate battle flag to declare their Southern Pride choose to use that particular flag. The Confederacy had a lot of flags, a couple of them more "offical" than the battle flag.
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Date: 2008-10-27 03:07 pm (UTC)That the 13 secessionists declared the institution of slavery, as defined by the constitution, to be their principle reason for secession does not make it the reason for the war, which wasn't started by the secession itself, etc etc etc.
(and no, I didn't get into an argument at
It was only the religious extremists that wanted to start a war to free the slaves, most of those fighting on the union side were fighting for the union and constitution as was...
*ducks*
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Date: 2008-10-27 03:16 pm (UTC)The South *did* fight to keep the slaves from being freed.
EVERY LAST ONE of the slave states cited "we are seceding because we want to keep slavery" as their *primary* reason for secession, and for half of them it was their *only* reason.
(Texas said that they wanted slavery, and also Mexicans and Indians were filthy savages that they wanted to keep *out* of their territory. So Texas really hasn't changed, any, since then)
Slavery was the reason for secession. Protection of slavery was *the sole and entire* reason the slave states wanted out of the union. Maintaining slavery was why they attacked the North.
It's really not complicated.
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Date: 2008-10-27 03:30 pm (UTC)All I ever can think of when I read another "you shouldn't have pride in being Southern" is the ever-appropriate song lyric, "Southern man don't need him around anyhow."
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Date: 2008-10-27 04:22 pm (UTC)You can have one without the other. However, you can't have "pro-CSA" without "pro-slavery", because the two are one and the same.
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Date: 2008-10-27 04:30 pm (UTC)I still think owning slaves and celebrating the fact that you owned slaves and wishing you could go back to a time when you owned slaves is fucked up.
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Date: 2008-10-27 04:43 pm (UTC)As for wishing for a time when slaves could be owned, does that make all the SCA people racist too? That's one of the things that's always amused me, people act like blacks were the only race ever to be enslaved. African's enslaved white Christians, Egyptians enslaved Jews, etc, etc.
I understand that the most recent episode is going to get more publicity, but doesn't mean ever other incident gets a blind eye turned to it.
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Date: 2008-10-27 03:35 pm (UTC)But, seriously, are we the only nation that is cool with performing wide-scale reenactments of emotionally unsettled wars and allowing proponents of the losing side to walk around with weapons that are capable of firing ammunition?
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Date: 2008-10-27 04:53 pm (UTC)Some things never change.
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Date: 2008-10-27 10:21 pm (UTC)The North wimped out, allowing the South too much rebellious attitude, and now has to go down and sort things all over again. It's just sad.