His problem seems to be with the trouble-making smarties who stay in the church and confuse the Deltas and Epsilons into moral relativism. They've had no end of trouble since going easy on that uppity Martin Luther a few years ago.
I know you disagree, but let me reiterate. You can be intelligent and religious. But not the way most of the upper levels of the catholic church want. When so much of your doctrine is based on ignorance and denying fact, what the hell did he expect?
That's fair. I agree, religion is innately silly. If you come at it from a place of reason, you're likely not to get anything from it, but as I've always maintained, as long as you understand and accept that first, I have no problem with religion. it's these people that assume that their religion is a valid form of science or history (or government) that tick me off.
University-educated Catholics are to blame for the crisis in the Church and the growth of secularism, the bishop charged with tackling the decline in Mass attendance.
Yes, an ecclesiastical retreat even further back into the Middle Ages will unquestionably lure everyone back to the Church! If they're skeptical about the Church being stuck in 1650, regressing to circa the Norman Conquest will surely change their minds! Genius!
I can practically see all the spastic orgasmic ejaculation that must be going on over in atheism and other atheist/anti-theist forums oozing out of the corners of my monitor.
The problem isn't the intelligent people who go to college, but the dumb or just mediocre ones. And this is not a problem only for the church. Dumb people go to college, return from college thinking they are smart, but are still dumb.
In the case of the Church, there is religious genius just like there is musical or mathematical genius. Formal education can only do so much in this regard, but it infuses the less gifted with a sense of self-importance.
This went through the looking-glass somewhere around "The bishop said that Catholic graduates had rejected the reforms made in the second council of the Vatican, which introduced fundamental changes in issues such as liturgy and doctrine."
The changes made by Vatican II have been and continue to be eroded by Popes John Paul II and Benedict; to blame intellectualism for this is, in my view, hypocritical. Heck, our current local Archbishop seems prone to acting without much regard for the laity's point of view.
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Date: 2008-11-17 08:54 pm (UTC)I simply maintain that religiousness is the opposite of reason, and intelligent religious people are being wilfully blind in that respect.
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Date: 2008-11-17 06:52 pm (UTC)Yes, an ecclesiastical retreat even further back into the Middle Ages will unquestionably lure everyone back to the Church! If they're skeptical about the Church being stuck in 1650, regressing to circa the Norman Conquest will surely change their minds! Genius!
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Date: 2008-11-17 07:30 pm (UTC)I can practically see all the spastic orgasmic ejaculation that must be going on over in
Srsly though i lol'd.
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Date: 2008-11-17 09:57 pm (UTC)In the case of the Church, there is religious genius just like there is musical or mathematical genius. Formal education can only do so much in this regard, but it infuses the less gifted with a sense of self-importance.
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Date: 2008-11-18 01:26 am (UTC)-- Steve loved those "thoughts for the day" captions. "An open mind is a fortress with its gate unbarred and unguarded."
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Date: 2008-11-18 01:46 am (UTC)...the Imperium units in Dawn of War have the BEST catchphrases.
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Date: 2008-11-17 10:22 pm (UTC)At what point should "original sin made me do it" come into play?
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Date: 2008-11-17 11:39 pm (UTC)But not for very long, before I returned to the "Oh, poor baby" mode.
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Date: 2008-11-17 10:31 pm (UTC)The changes made by Vatican II have been and continue to be eroded by Popes John Paul II and Benedict; to blame intellectualism for this is, in my view, hypocritical. Heck, our current local Archbishop seems prone to acting without much regard for the laity's point of view.