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Date: 2009-01-07 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/
What the fucking fuck?

"We can't find any real reasons why people shouldn't take birth control, so we'll just make shit up."

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Date: 2009-01-07 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jagash.livejournal.com
Actually it is a true phenominon. There is a great deal of research in artificial hormones and phytoestrogens being released in great numbers into the Great Lakes as none of the water treatment is designed to clean them up. Decent and credible scientific research has indicated lower fertility among human males who drink that water and some ecological effects on some of the species within the great lakes. One of my ecology profs was scared shitless of endocrine disruptors.

http://www.belspo.be/belspo/home/publ/pub_ostc/MNDD2/rMN002s_en.pdf

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Date: 2009-01-07 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
Sadly, that seems to be the case. I'm sure that birth control results in SOME hormone or chemical output, but not more than, say, eating at McDonald's and I'll be holding my breath to see if the Church starts condemning the big mac.

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Date: 2009-01-07 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
To correct myself, I actually think it's LESS than eating at McDonald's.

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Date: 2009-01-07 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/
Not just that, but as someone pointed out below, without birth control, we'd have significantly more people on the planet who would still be putting their hormones into the water.

Of the two outcomes, fewer people who can control when/if they give birth seems like the better one.

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Date: 2009-01-07 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartonian.livejournal.com
"We can't find any real reasons why people shouldn't take birth control, so we'll just make shit up."

Yeah, sounds like organized religion.

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Date: 2009-01-07 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mike8787.livejournal.com
It highly disturbs me that a ninth of the people on Earth are Roman Catholic.

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Date: 2009-01-07 03:23 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (dust)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
If it helps, the Roman Catholics across the world are hardly monolithic in their behavior or beliefs.

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Date: 2009-01-07 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyfox7oaks.livejournal.com
Ummm... did you mean "Monotheistic", by any chance?

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Date: 2009-01-07 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scixual.livejournal.com
nope. Monolithic. As in, "one stone", or metaphorically, all the same.

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Date: 2009-01-07 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jagash.livejournal.com
Bad pun though. Good job.

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Date: 2009-01-07 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyfox7oaks.livejournal.com
Ah, OK... I figured it might be from their hard-headed-ness...

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Date: 2009-01-07 05:53 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (evil)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
Ha ha, no. That's a separate argument in which i actually don't have much interest.

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Date: 2009-01-07 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartonian.livejournal.com
Off topic, but when did the world population explode to almost 10 billion?

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Date: 2009-01-07 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mike8787.livejournal.com
Good catch! God knows what would've happened if my small math error had gone unchecked.

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Date: 2009-01-07 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyfox7oaks.livejournal.com
"Dear God,
Save me from your followers. Thank you."

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Date: 2009-01-07 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drjamez.livejournal.com
So, it appears someone "with authority" among the Catholics finally saw the pilot episode for Torchwood. (RE: Captain Jack's comment about estrogen-based birth control in rain water.)

Great.

- James -

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Date: 2009-01-07 08:24 am (UTC)
ext_195307: (Kittens)
From: [identity profile] itlandm.livejournal.com
Humans actually do excrete minute amounts of hormones, as do other animals. But without artificial birth control there would presumably be roughly 3 billion more women by now, excreting natural hormones, which have the same effect as synthetic ones.

For our next case, shouldn't we be worried about the devastating effect of male masturbation on the environment? Semen is a known immune suppressor after all. "Every time you masturbate, bacteria kill a kitten!"

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Date: 2009-01-07 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
damn, i hadn't thought of that, but it's clever.

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Date: 2009-01-07 10:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hel
In fairness, municipal water supplies do contain trace amounts of pretty much every medication that humans take. So, there are minute traces of processed birth control hormones in the water, and via the water, getting into the environment. In that, they are correct, tho they ignore the processed traces of everything else, like, ya know, narcotics. In claiming that zomg, birth control is making men's penises fall offnot work, they are clearly insane.

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Date: 2009-01-07 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
well, they are not a people known for making the most obvious leap of logic.

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Date: 2009-01-07 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Do I think that there are a lot of female hormones in the water supply?

Yes

Do I think they contribute to infertility rates?

Yes

Do I think they come from birth control pills? No. Female hormones added to a woman's body do not come out whole in the urine. if they did then the hormones their body ALREADY PRODUCES would do the same.

As the article says, there are innumerable chemicals being introduced into our water supply that are the same or similar - from normal chemical pollution

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Date: 2009-01-07 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
Female hormones added to a woman's body do not come out whole in the urine. if they did then the hormones their body ALREADY PRODUCES would do the same.

...what do you think you are doing, using, like, logic? Don't you know that it's absurd and useless? Huh? Huh?

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Date: 2009-01-08 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Damn, I can't believe I tri4ed to use logic to debate the catholic church. What was I thinking?

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Date: 2009-01-07 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reyl.livejournal.com
Because the most important made up effects of birth control pills are the ones that mess around with all important MEN.

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Date: 2009-01-07 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
It's not like there's similar hormones in the meat we eat! Nope! It's got to be because teh wimmins are takin' teh birth kontrol!

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