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When did "fan" become synonymous with "stupid"?

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Date: 2009-01-26 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psyco-path.livejournal.com
I'm your #1 biggest stupid!

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
That works better than you might think.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psyco-path.livejournal.com
you charmer

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Date: 2009-01-26 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elffin.livejournal.com
1987. Specifically May 13th, 1987.

Why are you asking?

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
What's that, the writer of Twilight's birthday?

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elffin.livejournal.com
It's the date of a fan convention in Dallas where one person on staff had a fight with another person on staff over whether conventions should be done pureply for profit or for passion first and profit second. They each started their own conventions and twenty some odd years later, only one of them is still doing it.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The concept of "'fan' convention for profit" seems inherently doomed to complete failure.

We're talking about an event that *self-selects for cat piss men*. And you want to get enough money out of them to make a living?

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elffin.livejournal.com
The one who was doing it purely for profit failed, because he felt that "fan = Stupid", and set out to make profit off them by chaining them to distributors and studios as a captive market demographic, and himself as the middleman. The one who put fans in charge of the convention* has ended up doing surprisingly well**.

*except being in charge of the money. Cat-piss men are notoriously bad with money, hence why it is possible to make money off them.

**The secret is to ask them what they want and then give it to them for a moderate fee, rather than tell them what they want and market the hell out of the product. The successful person in this equation has little or no idea what the teenagers today are into, but will certainly accommodate them. The failure tried to sell Pokemon to teenage boys.

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Date: 2009-01-26 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missysedai.livejournal.com
Right around the time AOL made getting on the intert00bz easy?

Yeah. I dunno.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
If I could punch people over TCP/IP, I'd never leave my desk.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missysedai.livejournal.com
You and me, both, man.

Our knuckles would suffer for it, but it's a small price to pay in service of the greater good.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
That image would seem to imply that more than one of them can punch or be punched.

This is incorrect.

*I* need to be able to punch *other people* over standard TCP/IP.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elffin.livejournal.com
There's no reason you need to be running the client software on your own machine.

*GASP* that's why Microsoft doesn't include Telnet.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ianhess.livejournal.com
All we need to do is get a new kind of keyboard bundled with inexpensive machines and made a condition of software support contracts. They wont notice the stungun contacts built into this keyboard until they are used.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordbleys.livejournal.com
When the common folk learned to use the web.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
"zines" and the letters pages of magazines show that it was difficult to find "fan" without finding "stupid" before then.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordbleys.livejournal.com
Zines were easier to avoid, I'm attached to the web like a fetus without a coat hanger is attached to the womb.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elffin.livejournal.com
'Zines and letters pages involved a certain amount of dedication, perseverance, and patience, a willingness to engage a particular culture, cultural trend, or cultural artifact without needing a community to support one's involvement. Stupid people tend to do things because the crowd is doing them. Intelligent people tend to do things because there is a reason, or because they want to, regardless of whether the crowd is doing it.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Why is there no symbol on my keyboard for "is a subclass of"?

fan:person
person.stupid=true

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marlo.livejournal.com
Right around the same time as the big bang.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kierthos.livejournal.com
*shrug* When was the first Dragon*Con?

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
"Fan" is a contraction of "fanatic". Fanatics aren't noted for their incisive reasoning.

-- Steve's thinking that the concentration of stupidity in humanity's general population is fairly high in any case; fans are merely concentrating its expression.

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
The etymology isn't fully clear, AFAIK. I've seen it sourced to "fancy" and late 19th century British sports teams.

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Date: 2009-01-27 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Ooh, that makes fanboys "fancy boys." I can't wait to inflict that on someone!

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Date: 2009-01-26 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitteringlynx.livejournal.com
Well, if you consider "fan" to be short for "fanatic," it starts making sense.

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Date: 2009-01-26 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
So what brought the question on this time?

(Edited to use the most fannish icon I have, in the spirit of contrariness.)
Edited Date: 2009-01-26 07:12 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-01-26 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elffin.livejournal.com
I can't choose which of my user icons is "most" fannish, for it might be the lyrics of the country music ballad rendered in a bastard English-mode Tengwar, or the horrendous Middle-Norse reconstruction of the horrendous Modern-English interpretation of a horrendous Middle-Persian translation and interpretation of an alleged Middle-Norse prayer.

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Date: 2009-01-26 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
Ah, the "unsuffer me" icon.

I consider those geekish more than fannish, though. See mine.

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Date: 2009-01-26 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifantasy.livejournal.com
One assumes it was what a friend (in a locked post, so I've yanked the friend's name) called "another cultural appropriation fight going on (iteration umpteen; I count it as a standing drama since WisCon 30, in 2006)."

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Date: 2009-01-26 08:07 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-01-26 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
Ah, and then I had to go follow links.

I think my response has switched to what seems to be this year's default response on Reoccuring Issues: I Am Tired. Deal. Also, so glad I am not a writer.

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Date: 2009-01-26 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
"fan" as in "fandom", "my fandom", and "fen".

When people say "fan of [something]", it's usually not nearly so bad.

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Date: 2009-01-27 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
So being a "fan of [X]" is better than being an "[X] fan"?

Seems to be the case to me.

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Date: 2009-01-27 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Sometimes. I'd even go so far as to say "usually" - but often you'll see "fandom" "fen" "fannish" etc independent of what specifically they're a fan *of*, and THAT is the class of person who inspired the original post.

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Date: 2009-01-26 08:46 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-01-26 11:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
Remember that 'fan' is short for 'fanatic' and you'll have your answer.

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Date: 2009-01-27 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xenogram.livejournal.com
Good answer.

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Date: 2009-01-27 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownpoltroon.livejournal.com
fan or Fan?

I am a fan of Firefly.People who are Fans of Firefly, wear brown coats, and stalk cast members for autographs.


/Kaylees mine you vultures!!!!

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Date: 2009-01-27 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faolan-phe0nix.livejournal.com
fan = short for fanatic, so....

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