Asking me to get excited about Oracle is like saying I should be exited about object oriented programming. Sure, it's probably improved my life in some oblique way, but it's not exactly at the top of my interests list.
And Sun... same thing with the back-end stuff, but their public face is abomination. I don't have the same memories of them to reminisce about, and I'd guess most people don't, either. When Java rears its mutant head by demanding slow, buggy crapware to be installed on my computer just to run slow, buggy programs, I wish nothing for them but manure in their pillows.
Java's front-end effort is an abject failure (Excepting Eclipse); everyone I think agrees on this. I groan whenever I see the Java Applet embed logo appear on a webpage.
That said, Java's back end effort is an EXTREMELY important part of the web development market that runs..everything...you see on the Web. Essentially, the market is .NET with C# and ASP, Java J2EE, and PHP. That is my world, and it's why I was excited when I linked to it, and I imagine that's why Le Roi Weasel mentioned it as well.
I know it's going to come as a shock to ya, but people have different interests, and they don't always intersect. ;-) I imagine that TWK figured enough of his friends would be interested that he posted on it. I hope you don't interject yourself into EVERY conversation that bores ya.
I remember, during the Dot-Com boom, watching a 16-floor Oracle building go up in Reston, VA within the space of two months. It's the fastest I have EVER seen a high-rise built before. Most of the ones littering Chicago's skyline are on years-long tracks. I could only wish their database was that fast.
Sun is a big, venerable company that gave Java to the world. Its demise is not a small thing. No, it's not Apple dying, but it's not as pointless as counting sand to note it.
Additionally, some of us have fond memories of SunOS (I don't know many people who have fun memories of Solaris) and remember a day when Sun was a market leader in the server market, and that wasn't that long ago.
I learned basic unix stuff on a Solaris machine. I never had to *run* the thing, and it was mostly editors, permissions, symlinks, and running stuff like mail and news clients, but that's where I got my start.
So I have fond memories of it without ever having had to deal with any of the downsides.
You might not have heard, but the carleton.* news heirarchy is gone now. You might still be able to ssh into prince if you're lucky, but if you've still got anything there back it up soonest.
I can still get in to Prince. I checked my mail there for the first time this year after posting that! And since I'm alumni, all my old *Connect* accounts are still active, which is really useful if I want an internet connection on campus. And since I've been on campus a half-dozen times recently, this is awesome!
But yeah. There's nothing on that machine I really want. Old memories that I suppose I should pull down and archive, in case I ever want them, maybe.
I think it boils down to whether you started on SysV or Berkeley, and whether you ever did socket programming -- SysV was close enough in base syntax in commands to Berkeley to just be annoying enough to piss me off. It has to color at least in part my reaction to Solaris, which is a pure SysV system, whereas SunOS was actually a pretty nice hybrid.
What was really cool is that the volume of shares traded today _exceeded_ the total number of shares distributed by Oracle. That and the share value rose 35% higher than Friday's close before the markets opened this morning and remained mostly unchanged all day despite the volume being nearly 31 times the three-month average. Wacky!
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Date: 2009-04-20 06:46 pm (UTC)And Sun... same thing with the back-end stuff, but their public face is abomination. I don't have the same memories of them to reminisce about, and I'd guess most people don't, either. When Java rears its mutant head by demanding slow, buggy crapware to be installed on my computer just to run slow, buggy programs, I wish nothing for them but manure in their pillows.
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Date: 2009-04-20 06:49 pm (UTC)That said, Java's back end effort is an EXTREMELY important part of the web development market that runs..everything...you see on the Web. Essentially, the market is .NET with C# and ASP, Java J2EE, and PHP. That is my world, and it's why I was excited when I linked to it, and I imagine that's why Le Roi Weasel mentioned it as well.
I know it's going to come as a shock to ya, but people have different interests, and they don't always intersect. ;-) I imagine that TWK figured enough of his friends would be interested that he posted on it. I hope you don't interject yourself into EVERY conversation that bores ya.
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Date: 2009-04-20 06:26 pm (UTC)Additionally, some of us have fond memories of SunOS (I don't know many people who have fun memories of Solaris) and remember a day when Sun was a market leader in the server market, and that wasn't that long ago.
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Date: 2009-04-20 07:33 pm (UTC)So I have fond memories of it without ever having had to deal with any of the downsides.
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Date: 2009-04-20 08:04 pm (UTC)But yeah. There's nothing on that machine I really want. Old memories that I suppose I should pull down and archive, in case I ever want them, maybe.
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Date: 2009-04-20 07:21 pm (UTC)But yes!
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