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[theweaselking]

In the world of Apple, they hope to one day soon maybe reach *2003*.

However, still only one fucking mouse button.

(Also? Setting up a Minolta printer on a Mac is like setting it up on a linux machine that's had a lobotomy.

That is all.)

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[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

However, still only one fucking mouse button.

I see you're still more concerned with cosmetics than functionality when it comes to this issue. ;)

[catsidhe.livejournal.com]

Setting up a Minolta printer on a Mac is like setting it up on a linux machine that's had a lobotomy.

“like”?

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Desktop Macs come with multi-button mice. They have for some years now. And Apples have accepted multiple-button USB mice for half of forever. One of my coworkers has a twelve button monstrosity on his desk -- and it's been a long time since I've thought of a mouse as something that comes with the computer, anyway.

Current laptops have weird multi-touch tricks for such things, but generally I control click for right click if I'm doing regular day to day stuff, and I plug a mouse in for anything where I'd actually want to have fine control or do more advanced work or play.

Mea culpa on Minolta printers. There are some printers out there that are simple to install, but there are others that make you want to take a jig saw to your face.

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

Unrelatedly, I'm not a gamer so I wouldn't know—is it Apple's fault that Valve hasn't yet released that stuff for Mac? (It may well be; I don't know, which is why I ask.)

[jsbowden.livejournal.com]

s/your face/Steve Job's face/

Fixed that for you.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Desktop Macs come with multi-button mice.

And yet the laptops keep shipping with a single large button.

Current laptops have weird multi-touch tricks for such things

Yeah. I kept having to use two-finger touch and adjusting the location, because I didn't have the spare USB mouse I'd have needed to make the machine minimally usable.

Mea culpa on Minolta printers.

Mea culpa?

As in, I get to blame *you*, personally, for that?

But yeah. Do you know how I got the BizHub C350 working? It wasn't by installing the C350 drivers on the Mac. No, no, even with those installed, it didn't want to connect to the printer and work, nor did it accept the generic postscript drivers that the Ubuntu machine used. No, to let the Mac print, we *shared* the printer from a Windows machine.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Maiming Steve Jobs would still leave me with that bloody printer to install. Maiming myself gets me the day off of work, and then it's someone else's problem!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Not particularly, any more than the standard "Apple: We're Doing It Wrong!"

But it'll be *really* fun watching people try to play Left4Dead without a right mouse button!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Get a Real Computer (or even an HP Jetdirect), attach the printer to that, and share it. It's faster and easier, and the users will never know the difference.

[kafziel.livejournal.com]

Pointlessly nonstandard hardware makes it kind of hard to do a lot of things, and necessary functions like the ability to right-click being nonstandard extras makes most games can't work and need, at least, a complete redesign.

Or you could release the games with a disclaimer on the purchase page saying "Warning: If you're on a Mac, this game is unplayable unless you buy a third-party mouse." That warning would be kind of necessary, because unlike with every other computer or computer-like for the past twenty-some years, assuming your userbase has a mouse wheel and second mouse button is not a safe assumption to make.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of stunned you didn't have the spare USB mouse. We seem to have them growing out of dark places, like fungi.

And I meant nolo contendere, but I'm fried. In my defense, I recently ate a robot.

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

The secondary click is standard on Macs. The ability to secondary click using a totally separate button is the only thing that's nonstandard, and it's not necessary most of the time. As a non-gamer, I effortlessly secondary-click probably hundreds (I don't keep track) of times a day on my Mac.

So your suggestion that games with major secondary click elements are "unplayable" without a third-party mouse isn't true. Granted, it wouldn't be exactly the same gaming experience, and gaming is pretty much the one situation in which I can see the secondary click vs. right-click distinction mattering. Even in that case, though, you can get pretty darn close with a (non-third-party, obviously) Mighty Mouse.

[fearmeforiampink]

Ignoring the stupid "Waah waah waah one mouse button, waah waah waah anything that's not Windows must ape it in every way" from TWK and others, there are issues.

Gabe Newell of Valve says:

"Well, we tried to have a conversation with Apple for several years, and they never seemed to... well, we have this pattern with Apple, where we meet with them, people there go "wow, gaming is incredibly important, we should do something with gaming". And then we'll say, "OK, here are three things you could do to make that better", and then they say OK, and then we never see them again. And then a year later, a new group of people show up, who apparently have no idea that the last group of people were there, and never follow though on anything. So, they seem to think that they want to do gaming, but there's never any follow through on any of the things they say they're going to do."

Though on the other hand, if Valve really wanted to do Mac stuff, they'd do Mac stuff.

I'll see you one mouse button and raise you..

[skington.livejournal.com]

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Is the two mouse button thing Windows?!

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

Heh, yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

[fearmeforiampink]

No. I'm just explaining that for the purpose of useful discussion I was ignoring both the 'It has only one mouse button' complaint, and the 'Anything it does which is not like how Windows does that thing, is non-standard and therefore wrong' arguments that frequently get trotted out here.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

They keep getting broken, borrowed, used, or, for my personal mouse, *not supported by OS Fucking X*. I *could* have taken it out of my laptop and used my own touchpad since mine wasn't designed by idiots and *has* two buttons, but OSX doesn't understand how my mouse works.

Strange windows machines will accept it as a standard USB mouse and the extra buttons won't be bound the way I prefer, which is fine, I can work with that. OSX thinks it's some kind of retarded memory stick.

[fearmeforiampink]

Tch. The last sentence was suppose to be a link, but that's being weird.

Hopefully this link will work

[lucas-el-diablo.livejournal.com]

it's obviously apples fault that your favorite mouse doesnt conform to USB HID standards, the bastards!

[kafziel.livejournal.com]

The signature weapon in Valve's flagship game requires that you left-click while holding down the right mouse button to use it. Thanks for playing!

[kafziel.livejournal.com]

Not only Windows, no. It's also Unix, Linux, Amiga, the goddamn SNES - basically, everything except Apple for the past 20 years. But somehow to Apple fans, it's just a difference of approach.

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

All right, point. Like I said, not a gamer. Although this may be possible with the Mighty Mouse.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Works perfectly in Windows from 2000 to 7, in Linux from Ubuntu 6->9 and in all the recent Redhats. It even works in FreeBSD.

OSX 10.5? Nope.

Given that OSX is "FreeBSD with a lobotomy", and it works in FreeBSD? I blame the lobotomy.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

It *is* possible with the Mighty Mouse, although it's harder than it should be because the Mighty Mouse is (say it with me) POORLY DESIGNED, and because of the "pretty" one-piece casing it's very easy to accidentally wind up pressing mouse buttons you don't mean to when you're trying to rock the giant single piece of plastic back and forth over the switches.