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[theweaselking]

In the world of Apple, they hope to one day soon maybe reach *2003*.

However, still only one fucking mouse button.

(Also? Setting up a Minolta printer on a Mac is like setting it up on a linux machine that's had a lobotomy.

That is all.)

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[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

However, still only one fucking mouse button.

I see you're still more concerned with cosmetics than functionality when it comes to this issue. ;)

[pappy-legba.livejournal.com]

I know that Macs have had *hardware* support for second buttons for awhile, but even after they added it, the default setting was to disable it in the OS. They were fighting an asinine rearguard action against the most basic UI interface. Do they to supporting right-click by default now?

That's really good. Because for all that time, I listened to Mac apologists explain why holding down shift while clicking was better than having a second button, and it was painful to hear. It was almost as bad as listening to them trying to defend the hockey-puck mouse.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

These days, if you buy a mac Desktop they ship with a two-button (wheel-less 3 years ago, wheel-click-less 2 years ago - so, STILL 20 years behind the curve) mouse.

If you buy a mac Laptop, you get either one mouse button or *no* mice buttons, tapping only, because they're idiots.

[catsidhe.livejournal.com]

Setting up a Minolta printer on a Mac is like setting it up on a linux machine that's had a lobotomy.

“like”?

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Like. A Mac is a *FreeBSD* machine that's had a lobotomy.

[catsidhe.livejournal.com]

Touché.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Desktop Macs come with multi-button mice. They have for some years now. And Apples have accepted multiple-button USB mice for half of forever. One of my coworkers has a twelve button monstrosity on his desk -- and it's been a long time since I've thought of a mouse as something that comes with the computer, anyway.

Current laptops have weird multi-touch tricks for such things, but generally I control click for right click if I'm doing regular day to day stuff, and I plug a mouse in for anything where I'd actually want to have fine control or do more advanced work or play.

Mea culpa on Minolta printers. There are some printers out there that are simple to install, but there are others that make you want to take a jig saw to your face.

[jsbowden.livejournal.com]

s/your face/Steve Job's face/

Fixed that for you.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Maiming Steve Jobs would still leave me with that bloody printer to install. Maiming myself gets me the day off of work, and then it's someone else's problem!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Desktop Macs come with multi-button mice.

And yet the laptops keep shipping with a single large button.

Current laptops have weird multi-touch tricks for such things

Yeah. I kept having to use two-finger touch and adjusting the location, because I didn't have the spare USB mouse I'd have needed to make the machine minimally usable.

Mea culpa on Minolta printers.

Mea culpa?

As in, I get to blame *you*, personally, for that?

But yeah. Do you know how I got the BizHub C350 working? It wasn't by installing the C350 drivers on the Mac. No, no, even with those installed, it didn't want to connect to the printer and work, nor did it accept the generic postscript drivers that the Ubuntu machine used. No, to let the Mac print, we *shared* the printer from a Windows machine.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of stunned you didn't have the spare USB mouse. We seem to have them growing out of dark places, like fungi.

And I meant nolo contendere, but I'm fried. In my defense, I recently ate a robot.

[corkdorkdan.livejournal.com]

Macbooks come with a trackpad where *the whole thing* is the button, thus giving even more trackpad real estate to pads that were already 2x and 3x as large as the trackpads that come on PC-type machines. And in the most recent gen, they essentially embedded an iphone screen in the pad, so it works with 2-, 3- and 4-finger gestures, using functionality (expose, horizontal scrolling, etc.) that isn't standard even on the most recent gen of Windows. It's a nonstandard feature, but they have long since made up for it with a *far superior* user experience.

And even my older Macbook, which only supports limited 2-finger gestures, makes all right-click and scrolling equal to or even faster than doing those functions with a standard scroll wheel mouse. The only time I plug in my USB is when I need extra pointing precision, which would be even more difficult on the puny trackpads on every PC laptop I've ever used.

Do you think by continually bringing up the same argument, which clearly holds no water, someone at Apple will go *facepalm*, what were we thinking all these years!? We should do what everyone else does!

P.S. I used to whine and bitch about how more software wasn't available for the mac. Then I spent approximately an hour doing one of the easiest dual boot installs ever and put XP on there so I could run MS Project. Magic.

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

Unrelatedly, I'm not a gamer so I wouldn't know—is it Apple's fault that Valve hasn't yet released that stuff for Mac? (It may well be; I don't know, which is why I ask.)

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Not particularly, any more than the standard "Apple: We're Doing It Wrong!"

But it'll be *really* fun watching people try to play Left4Dead without a right mouse button!

[kafziel.livejournal.com]

Pointlessly nonstandard hardware makes it kind of hard to do a lot of things, and necessary functions like the ability to right-click being nonstandard extras makes most games can't work and need, at least, a complete redesign.

Or you could release the games with a disclaimer on the purchase page saying "Warning: If you're on a Mac, this game is unplayable unless you buy a third-party mouse." That warning would be kind of necessary, because unlike with every other computer or computer-like for the past twenty-some years, assuming your userbase has a mouse wheel and second mouse button is not a safe assumption to make.

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

The secondary click is standard on Macs. The ability to secondary click using a totally separate button is the only thing that's nonstandard, and it's not necessary most of the time. As a non-gamer, I effortlessly secondary-click probably hundreds (I don't keep track) of times a day on my Mac.

So your suggestion that games with major secondary click elements are "unplayable" without a third-party mouse isn't true. Granted, it wouldn't be exactly the same gaming experience, and gaming is pretty much the one situation in which I can see the secondary click vs. right-click distinction mattering. Even in that case, though, you can get pretty darn close with a (non-third-party, obviously) Mighty Mouse.

[fearmeforiampink]

Ignoring the stupid "Waah waah waah one mouse button, waah waah waah anything that's not Windows must ape it in every way" from TWK and others, there are issues.

Gabe Newell of Valve says:

"Well, we tried to have a conversation with Apple for several years, and they never seemed to... well, we have this pattern with Apple, where we meet with them, people there go "wow, gaming is incredibly important, we should do something with gaming". And then we'll say, "OK, here are three things you could do to make that better", and then they say OK, and then we never see them again. And then a year later, a new group of people show up, who apparently have no idea that the last group of people were there, and never follow though on anything. So, they seem to think that they want to do gaming, but there's never any follow through on any of the things they say they're going to do."

Though on the other hand, if Valve really wanted to do Mac stuff, they'd do Mac stuff.

[publius1.livejournal.com]

Is the two mouse button thing Windows?!

[cacahuate.livejournal.com]

Heh, yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

I'll see you one mouse button and raise you..

[skington.livejournal.com]

Re: I'll see you one mouse button and raise you..

[lebongirl.livejournal.com]

That's just evil & I must remind myself NEVER to marry a man who insists on using one of those. Too fucking geeky and not in a good sorta geeky way.

[skiriki.livejournal.com]

I am utterly amused by the amount of froth these (Mac-related) posts bring up. :D

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Me too. You might detect a pattern, there!

[skiriki.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking what it might be! I'm thinking really hard, you know, because I'm an uncool three-button mouser.

I give up. Me brain hurty now. Durrr. But I won't eat poop.

[corkdorkdan.livejournal.com]

I am too. I've been following for awhile, and I've seen TWK make the same anti-Mac arguments at least 4 times, get told he was wrong by a variety of people, and then come back and stir the pot a few months later making the same exact arguments.