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Date: 2010-03-08 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
At first I thought, "duh", but then I thought, i wonder if this is less "religion = racism and more "people who believe stupid crap without asking questions" are more likely to be both religious and racist.

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Date: 2010-03-08 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Yes, you're right, religiousness also directly corresponds to stupidity.

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Date: 2010-03-08 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
I saw that article. It wasn't as convincing as the notion that certain types of religion (namely fundamentalism) are very appealing to the stupid.

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Date: 2010-03-08 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
"article"?

I was making a flat statement.

(If it wasn't stupid, they'd use a word other than "religion" to describe it.)

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Date: 2010-03-09 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falconwarrior.livejournal.com
There was another article you posted that correlated religious thinking with brain damage.

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Date: 2010-03-09 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
There was, you're right.

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Date: 2010-03-09 12:42 am (UTC)
fearmeforiampink: (Dude?)
From: [personal profile] fearmeforiampink
Actually it noted a state of mind associated with spirtuality occuring more in people with brain cancer before their operations to remove said cancer than after. Or something rather closer to that than what you said.

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Date: 2010-03-09 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falconwarrior.livejournal.com
Yes, but in traditional theweaselking fashion, it was linked to with something more similar to what I said.

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Date: 2010-03-09 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
I thought I recalled an article about that not long ago, but my statement still stands.

that said, I agree that religion is absurd. None are free from being silly (though some are sillier than others). But I also don't mind if someone digs a religion (I certainly like mine) provided it doesn't turn them into a hateful, fearful, ignorant turd. And it seems clear that there are some religions that tend to attract people who are happy to leave other people alone and let them live their own lives, and other religions tend to attract people who want to moralize, control, and rule others.

See, my problem isn't with anyone's religion. it's with their behavior and their expectations. It just seems that much of that is fueled by their religion. I don't personally care if someone digs gay marriage, for example, as long as they don't use their religion as an excuse to prohibit it. At that point, that guy can go screw himself.

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Date: 2010-03-09 03:40 am (UTC)
frith: (horse)
From: [personal profile] frith
I heard an interesting proposition on the CBC the other day -- that since the vast majority of people are religious and thus "normal", what we ought to be studying are the people who don't swallow stupid crap.

God on the brain

Date: 2010-03-09 02:38 pm (UTC)
frith: (horse)
From: [personal profile] frith
See Interviews with researcher Lionel Tiger, author of God's Brain, wiki-portal here.

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Date: 2010-03-08 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spazcat101.livejournal.com
One of my professors told us he has a grandfather who is a Nazarene preacher and "one of the most racist people I've ever met in my life."

I'm inclined to agree with [livejournal.com profile] anivair that "people who believe stupid crap without asking questions" are more likely to be both religious and racist.

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Date: 2010-03-09 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krinndnz.livejournal.com
Correlation is not causation - that said, I can't imagine causation flowing either direction among those two variables as a good thing.

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Date: 2010-03-09 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I don't really care which direction the causation flows in, because both religion and racism require non-thinking and anti-thinking, and both of those things are definitely and without any doubt bad things. "Coincidentally", prevention of non-thinking, curing of anti-thinking, and encouragement of thinking leads to non-religious non-racist people.

(For what it's worth, my own observation is that all racist people are religious, and *most* but not all religious people are racist. Which leads me to conclude that causation generally flows from racism to religion. At the same time, there are religions whose defining characteristic is their racism, or homophobia, or sexism, or all three, or some other bigotry, where would-be converts are required to adopt the idiocy in order to be welcome in the community.)

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Date: 2010-03-09 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krinndnz.livejournal.com
I'm pretty much with you on all of that, yeah.

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Date: 2010-03-09 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atothek.livejournal.com
I am shocked. SHOCKED.

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