Sheesh, protesters.

[theweaselking]

The Truth About Tuition Fees In The UK.

Learn the facts before you traumatise the poor oppressed royals, people! It's not their fault they're inbred and suitable only for show competition!

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[tyoko.livejournal.com]

Prince Charles is a touchy subject.

He probably doesn't deserve to be caught up in a generational tax issue, where the young and the old disagree about where the money to fund ourselves out of a recession is going to come from.

Also: Riots are scary when they arrive on the doorstep of your family members >.>

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Going after the royalty is, in fact, pretty much by definition unfair: They didn't create the system, they don't maintain it, and they're largely incapable of affecting it. They're simply profiting from it, in a way that anyone who isn't a commoner marrying in didn't have any choice in.

But that doesn't stop them from being an easy addition to this post.

[anktastic.livejournal.com]

I may have misunderstood, but how exactly did the royalty not create the system, not maintain it, and not affect it? They have much more power than you think, if that's what you believe.
Fucking inbred hicks.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

"Do", not "did".

The current royalty have spent generations with no real power.

[almostwitty]

Well, unless you count having a quiet word with the Saudi government to stop a building development.

[hollowpoint.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it'd be a mistake to underestimate their influence. It's all back room stuff but they carry a fair bit of weight domestically and abroad.

[hollowpoint.livejournal.com]

I should probably add the obvious caveat that the self-interest of the Royal Family is rarely, if ever, at odds with the self-interest of Parliament or our many fine business leaders and braying aristocrats.

[fearmeforiampink]

Though there are fairly big questions as to the wisdom of sending a pair of 'establishment' targets out on a route they knew was going to have those students there. Yes, the people attacking the car were in the wrong, but that doesn't mean the security folks should've had them take that route.

[fridgepunk.livejournal.com]

These are the royals who's wedding was greeted with a small parade of daily mail readers who stood outside the church and routes to the church, for hours, just so they could *Boo* the couple as they went into and out of the church.

Poking camilla with a stick is not quite as disgraceful as that was.

The chanting of "off with their heads!" was however more problematic, because it's a terrible misuse of the alice in wonderland quote and those high children of pink floyd members who were responsible should know better.

[matgb]

Well, at least one of the answers to those myths is wrong, at least two current MPs paid fees and have loans extant, and that's two of the 600+ that I can name off the top of my head, with 300+ new MPs this year, odds are there're more.

So, they correctly say there's a big bunch of myths, give piss take answers, and can't even get that right.

There's a reason I think all sides in the whole argument are a bunch of fucking useless morons at the moment.

[almostwitty]

and how is that different to any other day?

What interests me is how the UK government is essentially saying "You know what? All these arts graduates we've been subsidising for years? They're useless" and the rest of the country (aside from those with a direct interest) are pretty much going "Yeah. Meh. We're ok, Jack."

Which is unfortunate since the only industry the UK has left now *is* the arts. Manufacturing went in the 80s, and banking has been proven to be a hollow golden shell.

[matgb]

the only industry the UK has left now *is* the arts. Manufacturing went in the 80s

You know that's bollocks, right? UK remains the 6th largest manufacturing economy, and both '88 and '89 were record output years for manufacturing (2007 being the all time record year).

It's true to say manufacturing employment went in the 80s, but that's different.

But yeah, humanities lose all their direct payments.

But two different analyses I've seen show that the new system is actually going to cost the Govt more, with grants reintroduced for many and most graduates never paying off all their loan so the Govt will have to foot the write-offs in 30 years. The whole thing's a complete mess.

[almostwitty]

I stand humbly corrected.

[fridgepunk.livejournal.com]

As a side note that bears pointing out; the website actually only says that the MPs all obtained their degrees under the old system that saw ample funding for the humanities and arts and doesn't mention fees per se, and considering that there are a great many history and politics graduates in the house of commons, that's a very valid point.

I know that the libcons like to focus on the debt issue because allows them to pretend that they're not evil bastards, but the budget and teaching cuts are already affecting the students who are protesting, and the stupid belief that you can cut 100% of funding in the short term, promise that some of that will be made up for in the long term by fees that will put off the few poor students able to make it through college without an EMA, while they sit in the house of commons largely as a result of having gone to a well funded humanities-focused university that had enough placements to accept these bunch of dullards and know-nothing richfucks because those unis were state funded, it's an incredibly valid point, especially given this year's horrible mess as far as uni placement shortages went.

[dreamshade.livejournal.com]

This is magnificently snarky. I love the Brits sometimes.

[lookingaround17.livejournal.com]

When I lived in the UK until about 1992, I paid L500 a year for one of the top graduate schools--hmm.