Ah, yes.

Jan. 7th, 2011 11:02 pm
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Andrew Wakefield has killed more people than Peter Kürten, and yet he's still not charged with a single murder.

Hint: Anyone who thinks vaccines *might* cause autism also must, for the same reasoning, think vaccines *might* also cause antigravity and kilopachydermikinesis.

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Date: 2011-01-08 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com
In case you think the reporting is overselling what Deer and the BMJ are saying: The article (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347.full) and the BMJ editorial (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452.full).

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Date: 2011-01-08 09:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
wakefield has apparently gone to the usa, where the anti-vaccine has serious political traction ...

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Date: 2011-01-08 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com
He fled to the States years ago, in 2004, about the same time word started coming out that his results were not reliable, and his £400,000 conflict of interest, and even the Lancet started making disapproving noises.

He resigned from there in 2010 when his misconduct charge was proved and he was struck off the British register.

propaganda is very, very hard to combat.

Date: 2011-01-08 11:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
i lost track of all this years ago.

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Date: 2011-01-08 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius1.livejournal.com
Yes, fuck you Jenny McCarthy; fuck you, Bill Maher; and fuck you, the American People for being so fucking gullible. GRR.

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Date: 2011-01-08 12:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] almostwitty
Well, has science disproved that vaccines can cause antigravity? Has it? Has it?

;)

(off to google kilopachydermikinesis)

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Date: 2011-01-08 01:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] almostwitty
and you're the sole Google expert on that topic. Congratulations!

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Date: 2011-01-08 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
Clearly it means the ability to lift part of an elephant with your mind.
Also, he's being silly. Everyone knows that vaccines don't cause antigravity or autism. They do, however, cause you to be a ginger.

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Date: 2011-01-09 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The ability to move one thousand elephants with your mind.

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Date: 2011-01-08 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia8.livejournal.com
I've never really understood why Wakefield was so welcomed by the US anti-vaxxers. After all, they always claimed that it was the evil mercury in all vaccines* that caused autism, while Wakefield's claim was that autism was caused by some mythical gut condition that was caused solely by the viruses in the MMR vaccine (which never had any mercury).
I suppose it was because they only heard "vaccines are the cause of autism!", never mind the theory. And never mind that he was actually developing his own vaccine.

*Not so much nowadays, now that (ethyl) mercury has been removed from practically all vaccines. Now, it's "too much too soon" and "it's all due to the OTHER evil toxins in vaccines".

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Date: 2011-01-08 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waterspyder.livejournal.com
You say US, but as the parent of two kids under 3, it's pretty obvious to me that there are a lot of Canadian parents out there made skittish by vaccines. Some "therapeutically delay" vaccines until their children are older and better able to handle the vaccine. Others think the government uses vaccines to poison the populace on purpose (I wish I were joking). And naturopathy is a religion, I have just come to accept that. So out of a playgroup with 40 kids, my children represent 2 of 6 that are vaccinated on schedule, if at all.

I feel sorry for the kids - it's not their fault that their parents listen to the media and conspiracy theorists - but I don't feel sorry for the parents sharing the sad stories about their daughter losing her hearing to Meningitis or their son losing sight due to Measles since there is no reason for this to happen. Not here, not now.

(PS The flu shot causing the flu is complete bullshit as well)

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Date: 2011-01-08 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ben-raccoon.livejournal.com
To be fair, the flu shot is proven to cause flu-like symptoms in certain people, myself among them. Just not on the order of magnitude of actually catching the live virus.

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Date: 2011-01-08 05:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] moiread
Ditto, though for me the "flu-like symptoms" and the actual flu are about equal in severity. I get hit by both really, really hard. But the flu shot is still absolutely worthwhile, because it means I won't get the flu six or seven times over the course of the season. (Yay, working in a germ incubator an elementary school.)

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Date: 2011-01-08 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waterspyder.livejournal.com
Any vaccine can make you feel gross (muscle aches, fatigue) and make you a little more susceptible to catching a cold or something for 2 to 7 days because it's stimulating your immune system, but it will not automatically give you a potentially life-threatening respiratory ailment.

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Date: 2011-01-11 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ben-raccoon.livejournal.com
Well, yeah. I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure that's where the 'flu shot causes flu' comes from. Shorthand for, well, that.

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Date: 2011-01-09 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
He was welcomed because in order to understand why welcoming him was dumb, they would have to be able to read.

Antivaxxers are, necesarily, subliterate. It's a requirement.

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Date: 2011-01-08 01:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frith
kilopachydermikinesis: Thousand thick skin movement? Also, I think there's a typo. I believe there should be an 'o' before the last element in that string, thus: 'kilopachydermokinesis'. "Pachyderm" may refer to elephants (and by extension, hippos and rhinos) in common parlance, but it means 'thick skin'.

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Date: 2011-01-08 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaosrah.livejournal.com
On the bright side, it cut out all(some) of the parents' kids who thought vaccines were a bad idea..

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Date: 2011-01-08 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wherever.livejournal.com
Problem is that it fucks with herd immunity, so other people besides the children of non-vaxers suffer. Vaccines do not provide 100% immunity, and some children cannot vaccinate due to immunological conditions. When a lot of people stop immunizing, diseases spread and we lose the benefit of herd immunity.

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Date: 2011-01-08 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaosrah.livejournal.com
Ah, true. But then, I wasn't being completely serious. =P

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Date: 2011-01-08 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazo0ka.livejournal.com
Ugh... Maybe before claiming vaccines work in awesome ways and are the all-perfect thing, you should do some of your own research, and not just using google.

I've seen dozens of overnight transformations of children after receiving vaccines. Severe reactions, ranging from lymph nodes the size of tennis balls on small 2yr olds, to children sleeping 2-3 days at a time, unable to be woken with fevers exceeding 105F.

Let's not forget that natural immunity often lasts a lifetime, whereas vaccine immunity needs to be updated every 5-10 years. How many adults do you know in the US receive their booster vaccines that often? Not only that, but some people can reject the vaccine immunity, and never have their titres checked, therefore never know whether or not it's actually provided immunity.

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Date: 2011-01-09 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Maybe before claiming vaccines work in awesome ways and are the all-perfect thing

Which I haven't.

NEXT?

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Date: 2011-02-27 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luna-the-cat.livejournal.com
natural immunity often lasts a lifetime

No it doesn't. Immunity to pertussis lasts 3-5 years, less than you get from the vaccine, for one example. This is just another bullshit "talking point" from people who are bent on demonizing vaccines and don't care about the actual immunology.

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Date: 2011-01-09 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
my daughter was one of the MMR kids. It was impossible, cos of her very young age, to tell whether the vaccine had any effect on her in terms of autism, but we got swept up in the hysteria along with countless other parents.

A series of tests by the Royal Hospital For Sick Children [Edinburgh] Spectrum Team eventually revealed a chromosome deficiency traced back to mums father. They were fascinated, having never seen that specific mutation before, or since. UNfortunately I don't know anywhere near as much about this as I should, cos we decided it didn't matter. She's probably Fragile X. We refused to medicate her. If she decides she want's to try it later in life, we'll support her decision. We wanted to know our real daughter, not the daughter pills would give us.

The MMR jab, as far as anyone can tell, made no difference whatsoever.

and for the record, daughter is fucking perfect.

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Date: 2011-01-09 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiriki.livejournal.com
I just wanna see theweaselking write a rant about Jenna McCarthy and her "indigo child" phase. :D

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Date: 2011-01-09 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xomox.livejournal.com
If you need a little additional rage, listen to yesterday's discussion of vaccines on NPR's Science Friday, where we learn that "nuh uh!" passes for scientific discourse among "educated adults." http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201101075

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Date: 2011-01-11 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimrunner.livejournal.com
Wow.

Just, wow.

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Date: 2011-01-10 12:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jerril
I wanted to punch those people standing in line with their asthmatic kids for the flu shot last year, worrying about giving their child autism.

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