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Scientists can induce schizophrenia in computers.

Short version: one of the theories of what happens in the minds of people with schizophrenia is that they lose the ability to consider things insignificant, and start "hyperlearning" - forming connections between events and memories that simply aren't there, due to sensory overload.

It turns out that if you program a working natural-language-learning-network to do this, it starts exhibiting classic schizophrenic symptoms.

"After being re-trained with the elevated learning rate, DISCERN began putting itself at the center of fantastical, delusional stories that incorporated elements from other stories it had been told to recall. In one answer, for instance, DISCERN claimed responsibility for a terrorist bombing. In another instance, DISCERN began showing evidence of “derailment”-replying to requests for a specific memory with a jumble of dissociated sentences, abrupt digressions and constant leaps from the first- to the third-person and back again."
That is SO COOL.

Wait, what?

Date: 2011-05-08 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unnamed525.livejournal.com
Schizophrenics learn too well?

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Date: 2011-05-08 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
"Well" is such an interesting term.

Re: Wait, what?

Date: 2011-05-08 08:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
They piece information together that they shouldn't have.

"I saw someone in shades look at me funny, and I heard a helicopter fly overhead this morning, and the radio made an odd noise that sounded a little bit like my name, so the Men In Black are watching me."

It's the same process that we all have for piecing the world together out of imperfect information, they're just "better" at finding connections than the rest of us (and presumably worse at discarding ones that are really unlikely).

Re: Wait, what?

Date: 2011-05-08 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plantyhamchuk.livejournal.com
They see patterns everywhere, even ones that don't really exist. I wouldn't use the term "learn" though, eventually the chronics end up with below average intelligence, for reasons not really understood.

Re: Wait, what?

Date: 2011-05-08 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drcuriosity
If they're making too many non-meaningful connections then I'd imagine they'd be working against the ones that that are meaningful; you'd lose your ability to rapidly discern and process meaningful information from the available inputs. Sounds like a situation in which the brain's plasticity works against it.

Re: Wait, what?

Date: 2011-05-09 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plantyhamchuk.livejournal.com
I'd hesitate to agree/disagree/make any claims re: plasticity, it's still very poorly understood, and "schizophrenia" is a term that covers a LOT of territory. There's a lot of variation between individuals, and even a given individual can present quite differently at a given time.

Re: Wait, what?

Date: 2011-05-09 04:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drcuriosity
*nod* There's a reason I'm "imagining" rather than stating. I'm not a neuroscientist; just a few cognitive science papers and such.

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Date: 2011-05-08 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaundicedaye.livejournal.com
At least they didn't name the computer "Colossus".

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Date: 2011-05-08 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaundicedaye.livejournal.com
Those who do not learn from classic Science fiction are condemned to repeat it.

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Date: 2011-05-08 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
You don't induce schizophrenia *in life support*.

Not deliberately, anyway.

Someone's gotta say it:

Date: 2011-05-09 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Or Skynet.

Of course, all this assumes that the schizophrenic algorithms don't ESCAPE and propagate VIRALLY!

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Date: 2011-05-08 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kierthos.livejournal.com
Yes, let's just give the computers mental problems!

NOTHING BAD CAN EVER COME OF THIS!

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Date: 2011-05-09 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whisperkit.livejournal.com
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.

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Date: 2011-05-08 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plantyhamchuk.livejournal.com
Amazing, thanks for sharing.

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Date: 2011-05-08 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
Fascinating! I've speculated for some time that paranoia might be analogous to the overfitting problem in statistics:

If you use a small number of explanatory variables (and choose the right ones), you get a model that describes past observations moderately well and also works moderately well for future events.

If you use too many explanatory variables, you get a model that works REALLY well for describing past observations, but very poorly for future events.

This sounds like a similar idea, in a different context. Except that these guys did the hard work of actually designing & testing the theory.

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Date: 2011-05-09 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
I really, really like this explanation.

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Date: 2011-05-09 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
I've been meaning to post a ramble about it for a while, but can't remember whether I actually did. I wonder whether it would be a useful teaching method; I think there are several mathematical concepts that become easier to grasp when we relate them to psychology.

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Date: 2011-05-08 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drhoz.livejournal.com
will they be making Paranoid Androids next?

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Date: 2011-05-08 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I wonder if this fits at all with the theory that schizophrenia has something to do with sensory derangement-- things feel wrong because kinesthesia or somesuch isn't quite right, and the person starts making up theories to explain why the world feels wrong.

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Date: 2011-05-09 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whisperkit.livejournal.com
As someone who has nuerological sensory processing difficulties, I can happily state that it hasn't caused schizophrenia.

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Date: 2011-05-10 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harald387.livejournal.com
Today it's all 'I love living in the future'.

Tomorrow it's all 'RUDIMENTARY CREATURES OF BLOOD AND FLESH' and 'YOU EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT, AND YOU WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND IT'.

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