Is there any group of significant size that claims to be 'socially liberal and fiscally conservative' that is not, in fact, a faceplate for 'fiscally conservative fucktards?' Whether the SL-FC people involved KNOW they're acting is such is irrelevant.
It's like intelligent design. There are a small handful of philosophers that ask intelligent questions about prime-mover origins who are associated with intelligent design. This group of intellectuals forms the utterly irrelevant core of a huge mass of stupidity. They are a single-digit group of intellectuals whose intellectual contributions have been dwarfed by the fact that they loaned a halo of respectability to a massive pile of vitriolic ignorance.
Is there any group of significant size that claims to be 'socially liberal and fiscally conservative' that is not, in fact, a faceplate for 'fiscally conservative fucktards?'
They're a union of the Progressive party with the Conservative party, that happened a long time ago and I'm way too pre-coffee to do that history justice. (I didn't really study the Progressives in any depth... a pity, really.)
Their federal incarnation is gone, swept away by the post-Mulroney public meltdown that makes the current Liberal collapse look like a stubbed toe (the PCs went from a majority parliament to a fringe party, almost losing official status, in one election) but the provincial versions still linger on.
-- Steve misses those old Tories, as they were far more pragmatic and less doctrinaire than the current Conservatives.
They're a union of the Progressive party with the Conservative party, that happened a long time ago and I'm way too pre-coffee to do that history justice. (I didn't really study the Progressives in any depth... a pity, really.)
Completely wrong. It's okay if you don't know something, but please do not make up answers.
The Progressive Party was a creature of the inter-war years. It was linked with the United Farmer's Party and was a response to a perceived lack of response to the needs of farmers shown by the Liberals. It is often seen as a Western protest party, but it had some success in Ontario, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick as well. Upon it's demise, elements returned to the Liberals. Others would form the CCF, the forerunner of the NDP, while others would spin off into Social Credit, the predecessor of the Reform Party, which begat Canadian Alliance and then the current Conservatives.
Yeah, I screwed that one up hard... dunno how I got that into my head, except that it's been a bit of a week at work. I must've conflated the two series of events in my coffee deprivation.
Sorry about that.
-- Steve really should fact-check stuff, even the stuff he's "certain" about at the time of posting.
The Prime Minister of the UK, for a start, won't stop talking about how his Government is a "progressive, liberal" government. Now, I'm quite happy to accept him calling himself a liberal as within the UK it's perfectly possible to be a liberal conservative, but 'progressive'?
When every party in Parliament except the fascists are calling themselves progressive, the word has no meaning anymore.
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Date: 2011-06-02 03:35 am (UTC)These days, there's just a far-right wrong-in-every-respect white-supremacist party that bought the name.
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Date: 2011-06-03 03:51 am (UTC)It's like intelligent design. There are a small handful of philosophers that ask intelligent questions about prime-mover origins who are associated with intelligent design. This group of intellectuals forms the utterly irrelevant core of a huge mass of stupidity. They are a single-digit group of intellectuals whose intellectual contributions have been dwarfed by the fact that they loaned a halo of respectability to a massive pile of vitriolic ignorance.
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Date: 2011-06-06 08:13 am (UTC)The Green Party!
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Date: 2011-06-02 10:26 am (UTC)Their federal incarnation is gone, swept away by the post-Mulroney public meltdown that makes the current Liberal collapse look like a stubbed toe (the PCs went from a majority parliament to a fringe party, almost losing official status, in one election) but the provincial versions still linger on.
-- Steve misses those old Tories, as they were far more pragmatic and less doctrinaire than the current Conservatives.
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Date: 2011-06-03 06:25 am (UTC)Completely wrong. It's okay if you don't know something, but please do not make up answers.
The Conservatives adopted "Progressive" in 1942 because a faction of the party wanted to adopt socially progressive ideas as part of the party platform.
The Progressive Party was a creature of the inter-war years. It was linked with the United Farmer's Party and was a response to a perceived lack of response to the needs of farmers shown by the Liberals. It is often seen as a Western protest party, but it had some success in Ontario, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick as well. Upon it's demise, elements returned to the Liberals. Others would form the CCF, the forerunner of the NDP, while others would spin off into Social Credit, the predecessor of the Reform Party, which begat Canadian Alliance and then the current Conservatives.
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Date: 2011-06-03 10:38 am (UTC)Sorry about that.
-- Steve really should fact-check stuff, even the stuff he's "certain" about at the time of posting.
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Date: 2011-06-02 11:10 am (UTC)When every party in Parliament except the fascists are calling themselves progressive, the word has no meaning anymore.
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