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Date: 2011-09-06 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
At about the point in the description where he's talking about how this adaptation's Hamlet has no doubts, I was already doing the extreme headtilt-squint eye-"I don't know who that guy is but Hamlet he ain't" face.

...then came that quote of the bit about Ophelia's death, and the squint became a side-eye.

And then it got worse.

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Date: 2011-09-06 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifantasy.livejournal.com
Let's not forget that he opens with a defense of Bowlderization, saying it's a good thing because it makes the play understandable.

Let me tell you what you need to do to understand Hamlet, even if the language barrier is insurmountable (which it isn't):

Watch it.

Live staged if you can get it, movie if you can't.

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Date: 2011-09-07 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kafziel.livejournal.com
While I haven't seen every single live staged Hamlet out there, I'd point to Brannagh's before any camera pointed at a theater stage.

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Date: 2011-09-07 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifantasy.livejournal.com
Well, sure, movie over recorded staged, but I really think Shakespeare should be seen in a live theater.

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Date: 2011-09-07 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybik.livejournal.com
Have you seen any of the National Theatre Live broadcasts (they're shown all over the world in cinemas at the same time, so if you're not UK it might be an awkward time)? I've seen a couple of them and they are quite amazingly good - better than some filmed versions. Though, of course, it depends on the film version..

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Date: 2011-09-07 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
I read Hamlet several times, in Turkish, before I saw any version. The translation was fantastic; it was by a Turkish lyric poet. Certain memorable phrases, I still think of in Turkish; I was young and it imprinted.

That's the thing: I was definitely younger than 12, and I had no trouble understanding it. Especially understanding the bit where Hamlet's indecision is such a big, big part of his character.

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Date: 2011-09-08 01:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Difference though-was it translated into modern Turkish? Because while I love watching Shaxsper performed, and have two copies of the Complete Works, I really don't enjoy reading a play unless I've seen it, because in English you get the original text, sometimes with spellings tidied up, frequently not, and that's it.

Any attempts to replace archaic, defunct or changed meanings words are completely frowned on. Which makes it a lot harder to read for the sake of itself and for pleasure.

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Date: 2011-09-07 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com
Don't know why he bothers rewriting Hamlet in the first place--Disney already beat him to the punch.

The difference here being that "The Lion King" is actually good.

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Date: 2011-09-09 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
As I may have told you (can't remember), my mother studied Hamlet in high school, but the nuns at her school gave them all bowdlerised versions that removed the ghost along with all references to incest.

This changes one's interpretation of the play more than a little, which is a problem if you're then sitting an exam set by an external body working from the full version...

(fortunately, my mother was canny enough to get hold of the unexpurgated Hamlet.)

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Date: 2011-09-06 10:32 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2011-09-06 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com
Orson Scott Card better be glad I don't know where he lives, because I'd drive by and egg his house.

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Date: 2011-09-07 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ursulav.livejournal.com
Y'ever get the feeling that he and Dave Sim are having some kind of contest?

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Date: 2011-09-07 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illian.livejournal.com
Can we get them to stop sharing with the rest of us?

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Date: 2011-09-07 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifantasy.livejournal.com
If they are, why is it that the losers are the rest of us?

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Date: 2011-09-07 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
Well, then there are the reactions, and thanks to some of them we win back a little.

(I broke down laughing as soon as the top of the page loaded. Silent laughter because there are labmates around, but unstoppable.)

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Date: 2011-09-07 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com
Isn't it traditional to read the original when rewriting something?

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Date: 2011-09-07 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
That might damage the purity of your vision.

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Date: 2011-09-07 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbloyd.livejournal.com
And lo, I give you... Hamlet:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/episodes/hamlet/watch-the-film/980/

David Tennant and Patrick Stewart version.

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Date: 2011-09-07 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madfishmonger.livejournal.com
*nergasm* THANK YOU

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Date: 2011-09-09 02:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyprinella
My husband and I took a trip to the UK specifically to see that play. It was really great. Patrick Stewart was amazing.

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Date: 2011-09-07 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evcelt.livejournal.com
Ugh. I don't like his stuff anyway, but this is just horrid.

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Date: 2011-09-07 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evcelt.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah, and this:

http://mysongbook.de/msb/songs/o/oorhamle.html

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Date: 2011-09-08 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gygaxis.livejournal.com
Yeah, OSC is such a raging bag of fuck.

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