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New Hampshire Republican party wants to pass a new law: "All members of the general court proposing bills and resolutions addressing individual rights or liberties shall include a direct quote from the Magna Carta which sets forth the article from which the individual right or liberty is derived,"

Of course, they have no idea what the Magna Carta says, or what the justification would be for requiring American laws to justify themselves in terms of an 800-year-old British law. But they insist it's TOTALLY not about preventing a gay marriage law on the grounds of the Magna Carta not mentioning homosexuality, not at all.

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Date: 2012-01-06 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuddlycthulhu.livejournal.com
No, no, it's about giving an "homage" to that wonderful document.

I'm pretty sure that he has no fucking idea A) what an homage is or B) how badly this would fuck the state of New Hampshire.

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Date: 2012-01-06 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Reminds me of the Americans planning for the 200th anniversary of the War Of 1812.

The Canadian side of the Niagara peninsula are going through all the details of the battles, and the history, and what it meant that the Americans started a war, invaded them, were completely destroyed - to the point where the Canadian troops counterattacked all the way to DC and sacked the Pink House (it got rebuilt in white).

The American side are ignoring all that, waving flags, and claiming they *won* because the terms of their surrender included status quo ante.

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Date: 2012-01-06 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twilightbloo.livejournal.com
It's even more fun when you sing about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwiH18QwpU
(Three Dead Trolls - War of 1812)

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Date: 2012-01-06 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleodhna.livejournal.com
That led to a most enjoyable youtube trawl. Thank you.

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Date: 2012-01-06 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com
Some folks near me celebrate winning Vietnam, too. Such USians can't tolerate losing or even muddy uncertainty and tend to forget it.

Of course they also insist Reagan was a good President, so I presume they're from some alternate reality.

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Date: 2012-01-06 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmo-iscariot.livejournal.com
...the Americans started a war, invaded [Canada], were completely destroyed...

Now, now. That's only half the story, isn't it? We invaded Canada twice, the first time during the American Revolutionary War, when our hardy Continental Army attacked in two columns that seized Montreal and pursued the routed general Carleton to Quebec...

Where we were roundly defeated, decimated, and sent running home.

It's pretty clear to anybody who bothers looking into it that Canadians are the Fremen of North America. Most Americans think you're all about public medicine and being polite, but underneath, the snow has burned the fear out of you. ;)

[Incidentally, The US declaration of war against Britain in 1812 wasn't, I think, unreasonable. Invading Canada, though, was at the very least a stupid, stupid idea. Fool me once, can't get fooled again, etc.]

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Date: 2012-01-06 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The invasion of Canada would have worked better if:

a) the attacking commanders hadn't made the most elementary strategic blunders possible
b) they'd realised that the loyalists who left for Canada after the revolution *did not*, in fact, secretly realy want to be Americans.

(Also: Relying on the British to be busy with Napoleon forever? Not a good assumption.)

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Date: 2012-01-06 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmo-iscariot.livejournal.com
And it doesn't end there, by a long shot. The Continental Army managed to lose almost every engagement of 1775 and 1776 (with the notable exception of the siege of Boston), before finally scoring the gamechanging victory in January 1777. But for the entire stretch from Concord to Trenton, the Revolution was a great parade of fail that reduced our fighting force from about 20,000 to about 1400.

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Date: 2012-01-06 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Even then, Washington crossing the Delaware only worked because it was so completely insane that no commander in his right mind would ever have tried it, and when Washington did it anyway despite it being incredibly stupid he rolled his dice and they came up yahtzee.

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Date: 2012-01-06 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmo-iscariot.livejournal.com
Under the circumstances, it walked that fine line of shocking lunatic stunts that are also sound strategic decisions. The Continental Army was down to 1400 men, only a third of whom were equipped with boots, with about zero prospects of further enlistment because of the string of losses. There was never going to be a better prospect for victory. When the choice is between "wait out the winter, lose most of your remaining force to weather and desertion, then meet the fresh British in the field and lose for sure" and "make a mad, audacious surprise attack that no sane person could see coming and lose probably," the latter is not a stupid decision.

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Date: 2012-01-06 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
Washington crossing the Delaware only worked because it was so completely insane that no commander in his right mind would ever have tried it

Well, it worked for Wolfe at Quebec and that victory was in living memory... though I don't know how influential it would've been.

-- Steve's seen speculation that Wolfe's scaling of the bluffs was actually an attempt at "suicide by battle" which actually succeded in both aims.

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Date: 2012-01-06 03:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jerril
At least they haven't had a "Never invade Russia in winter" moment with us. To my knowledge anyways, and I suspect if they had, I'd know about it because we'd be making fun of them for it to this very day :)

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Date: 2012-01-07 02:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
We invaded Canada twice

Three times. ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ridgeway

(sorry, it's one of my more favourite 'daft events in history' ergo it totally counts)

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Date: 2012-01-07 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elmo-iscariot.livejournal.com
Hey, hey! You can't hold a country responsible for the actions of extremist enemy combatants just because they happened to come from-- ...Oh.

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Date: 2012-01-07 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calankh.livejournal.com
really? huh. the town I grew up in (on the american side of the river) is prepping to reenact the burning of the town in 1815. complete with residents running down the street screaming apparently. I'm kind of sad I won't be there, it sounds amusing.

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Date: 2012-01-06 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catherine wise (from livejournal.com)
This should work just grat once they find a king and some barons for themselves.

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Date: 2012-01-06 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
I'm available if they need a King.

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Date: 2012-01-06 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supergee.livejournal.com
All our laws should make clear that the nobility don't have to take any crap from the king.

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Date: 2012-01-06 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
The Magna Carta... but what does that have to do with... anything? Ugh, well i'm sure all the barons in the New Hampshire House can be reassured that the King will be put in his place

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Date: 2012-01-06 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firebreathnchkn.livejournal.com
The MC says you can't detain someone without trial, and separates church and state—two things Republicans oppose...

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Date: 2012-01-06 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glenn-3.livejournal.com
Since when do Repubs oppose detaining someone without a trial?

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Date: 2012-01-07 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falconwarrior.livejournal.com
Nah, you read it backwards: Saying you can't detain someone without trial is something Republicans oppose.

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Date: 2012-01-07 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glenn-3.livejournal.com
Gotcha. I fail at reading.

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Date: 2012-01-06 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mhoye.livejournal.com
"Let's all pretend the Renaissance never happened."

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