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How to do a Kickstarter right: Reaper Miniatures "Bones"

Reaper Minis makes, well, miniatures. For wargames, for RPGs, for Warhammer-alikes, or just for people who like painting teeny little things - and their Kickstarter is genius. How genius? Their reward structure has *me* pledging $100[1], and I don't even do minis painting, because I can get a crapload of neat stuff that looks like fun to try, and a complete starter's kit, and a storage/carrying case, AND enough minis that if I truly fuck up a few I can trash 'em and feel the painful loss of a cup of coffee.

(It helps that if I'm truly as terrible as I was the last time I tried this kind of thing, I have artistic friends and mini-loving friends and artistic mini-loving friends, so I can rehome 'em easily.)

But the Kickstarter itself is pure genius. You see,

1) all of the stretch goals are add-ons to the existing packages. Some free, some free to people who picked a certain level or above, some for a nominal additional fee.
2) all of the reward packages, except for the unique "one of a kind you keep the original model" ones, are completely modular. You can buy as many or as few as you want.
3) all of the stretch goal rewards are completely modular, you can buy as many or as few as you want, of each one. Even the "free" rewards? You can buy extras of those for a nominal fee.

Which is another way of saying: Every few days, they make the existing rewards better AND they provide a bunch new el cheapo additions for "just a few dollars more". And they've made damn sure that there's no choice paralysation: Their plan is explicitly to use Kickstarter to display the options, but use a post-Kickstarter survey to figure out exactly which options you wanted, and they are happy for you to say "Oh, I wanted the vampire, ten of the giant dragon, three sets of elves, and the succubus on the motorcycle".

Which, on one hand, mercenarily entices you to keep adding just a LIIIIIITLE more to your pledge. On the other, it lets you pick and choose from a ton of cool options, all at a good price - which means I don't even mind the blatant aspect.

Compare and contrast the Defense Grid 2 Kickstarter, where despite the awesomeness of the game and my vervent desire to play #2, I (and more than 50% of all backers) are sitting on the lowest $15 "please give me the game" reward tier, because there's NOTHING ABOVE IT WE WANT. The next few tiers up are all "Oh, and also give us the first game's DLC, which we almost certainly already own because we're here at the Kickstarter" and even that ate up another 20% of pledges.

(If you want an AMD video card for cheap, or a Razer Naga mouse for cheap, though, you might want to pledge in the next 48 hours even if you don't care about the game, because they're giving away the psycho gaming mice of doom for sub-retail. And the original game (which you get for pledging) is great and the project to make the expansion has been successfully funded.)


[1]: "Ghast Level" for a horde of goblins and kobolds and rats, one each of the starter paint sets, Orcstravaganza for 20 $1.25 orc minis, and the carrying case, plus shipping. 51 minis, paints, case, and shipping, $100. I'm strongly tempted to go completely nuts and pay $80 more for the "Vampire" level, adding another 111 minis (as of right now - Vampire is one of the ones that keeps getting bigger). I'm holding off on that because, well, I'm a LOUSY PAINTER. Completely terrible. And while this is a great deal for someone in the hobby or who wants to get in in a big way, I'm not that. I dont' think. And yet, so tempted....

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Date: 2012-08-12 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuddlycthulhu.livejournal.com
I'm going to pledge Vampire I think. That's just too good a deal to fucking pass up.

The Reaper guys and gals must be shitting themselves with glee. That's an amazing return on their kickstarter.

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Date: 2012-08-12 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Check out the add-ons. If you like minis and pledge Vampire alone, I'm shocked.

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Date: 2012-08-12 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Also: I have friends who're buying a Vampire pack, so I can get any of the add-ons there that I want on their pledge. Which is nice, if I want a Demon Pack but I don't want the 111 other things that come with the demons.

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Date: 2012-08-12 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calankh.livejournal.com
crap. on one hand, thanks. on the other, damn you. I'd looked at buying the two dragons (for $30 each) that are a +15 on top of the vampire level. Hadn't considered the one that's +10 by itself because on their website it costs $70. But for the cost of buying the three dragons on their site I can get a pile of other minis to practice on first and the dragons. The ones on the site are metal and these would be plastic, but that just makes them easier to store.

::sighs and goes to get out the calculator::

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Date: 2012-08-12 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Are you sure the Ebonwrath and the two other dragons are plastic via Kickstarter?

(I mean, they might be!)

But yeah- for $30 Shadow Dragon, $30 Fire Dragon, and $70 Ebonwrath, you can get $100 Vampire Pack + $10 Ebonwrath + $15 Shadow And Fire Dragons. For a net DISCOUNT.

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Date: 2012-08-12 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calankh.livejournal.com
from the FAQ at the bottom:

"Why do I see some of these miniatures already for sale on your website?

Most of our existing miniatures lines are produced in metal, and many of the miniatures pictured here are drawn from those product lines. This Bones Kickstarter is designed to produce both existing and new miniatures in plastic. The models that are pictured in the Kickstarter are the models you will receive in Bones plastic."

From my reading, everything except the Biker Babe is plastic, and she's metal.

And now that I've figured out what options I want, time to go sign up for a kickstarter account. Yay tons of minis!

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Date: 2012-08-12 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Oh hey! I did not know that.

But still, I'm a completely crap mini-painter. So I'm happy to go with the El Cheapo options.

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Date: 2012-08-12 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calankh.livejournal.com
Yep! I have yet to start, but my boyfriend has quite a few in various stages of being painted. One of my hurdles is feeling badly for screwing up his minis--now I don't get to use that excuse. And hopefully I'll be decent enough to paint my own dragons at some point.

FWIW, I don't think plastic is necessarily worse. I'm told that the plastic minis are often more detailed than metal can be, and they are easier to mod (exact quote there was 'if I want to cut stuff off, I can'). Supposedly the plastic they are making these new minis out of requires no priming, as well, so that's handy!

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Date: 2012-08-13 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
My understanding is that metal used to be better for fine detail, but plastic/resin tech has advanced. Certainly the level of detail is more than a match for my painting skills :-)

Also, IME, lightweight figures don't seem to suffer as much wear-and-tear on the paintwork. Plastic is lighter, which means the forces involved in being dropped/bouncing around in a case/etc are less, which means less damage. (Somebody recently dropped a trayful of some of my better-painted metal miniatures, which left me Very Sad...)

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Date: 2012-08-13 12:44 pm (UTC)
jerril: A cartoon head with caucasian skin, brown hair, and glasses. (pleasent)
From: [personal profile] jerril
Plastic minis have advanced radically, even just in the last 5 years. Metal is rapidly becoming "Well, it weighs more. That's useful if you're into that sort of thing" - I don't think it's quite at that point yet, but wooooah it's been impressive to watch.

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Date: 2012-08-13 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
Yeah, I see some people are nostalgic for metal but I'm more like "if only there was some way to convert my existing metal to plastic". Combine plastic with the availability of rare-earth magnets, and I don't have to bother with padding stuff for transport any more. I just glue a small magnet to every base and then stick them straight to the sides of a steel toolbox.

(And then the magnets come unglued and the figure bounces around... but because it's light, no damage done. And I grumble and re-glue.)

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Date: 2012-08-12 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Yeah, DG2 fell into one of the same problems that Clang did - you get everything you want for $15, and everything above that point is just "Yay! You supported us!"

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Date: 2012-08-12 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com
If you fuck up the minis, just paint over it. ;)

If you *really* fuck up the minis, a soak in Simple Green or some other solvents will make it easy enough to strip off the paint layers...

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Date: 2012-08-12 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biomekanic.livejournal.com
I thought SJG did a great job of handling the OGRE kickstarter as well. Making more than 30 times your goal leads me to suspect as much.

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Date: 2012-08-12 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
They only got to $400k out of $30k? Chumps...

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Date: 2012-08-12 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
In a psycho niche market like "miniatures"? Holy crap.

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Date: 2012-08-12 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
I was making a lame joke about managing to blow away their initial goal.

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Date: 2012-08-13 12:44 pm (UTC)
jerril: A cartoon head with caucasian skin, brown hair, and glasses. (pleasent)
From: [personal profile] jerril
"only got to"? buddy, they're still going :D

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Date: 2012-08-13 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bryan stiltz (from livejournal.com)
Thanks! To clarify - Yes: Except for where expressly stated (such as with Kickstarter Sophie) all figures that are part of the stretch goals or normal reward levels are Bones Plastic.

I'm glad you like how we're running things!
Edited Date: 2012-08-13 01:09 am (UTC)

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Date: 2012-08-13 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Holy crap, people who track their incoming links. Hi!

But yeah: I'm completely not your target audience, and you've got me giving money because it's a great as a starter set. I would have given money earlier, had the "ton of cheap minis and the paint sets" been sooner.

And the way you've structured your Kickstarter is a lesson to everyone else in the field.

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Date: 2012-08-13 12:45 pm (UTC)
jerril: A cartoon head with caucasian skin, brown hair, and glasses. (pleasent)
From: [personal profile] jerril
You know. If you sink the 80 to upgrade to Lich (one of us one of us) you'll have enough minis to learn how to be good at painting :D

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Date: 2012-08-13 12:46 pm (UTC)
jerril: A cartoon head with caucasian skin, brown hair, and glasses. (pleasent)
From: [personal profile] jerril
We've been watching in the office here, and cheering whenever you break another stretch goal. Which you're doing like clockwork, scary!

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Date: 2012-08-13 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
Damn you. Must... not... spend... money...

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