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Iconic, classic villains who are so associated with their ongoing property that they show up at or near the top of every Rogues Gallery, but didn't exist until LONG after the original property was well established.

1) Moriarty
2) The Borg
3) The Weeping Angels
4) Venom

Your turn, GO.

(And no, "Bane" and "Doomsday" don't qualify. NEXT!)
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Date: 2012-10-13 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Crowley, from Supernatural. First showed in Season 5.

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Don't know about "villian," but the Bizarro planet in Superman. Didn't appear for decades after the first comic.

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
No. Being the only surviving major villain and the topic of the current arc does not "Top Of The Rogues Gallery" make.

The yellow-eyed demon, sure. Ruby and Lucifer, sure. Crowley, makes the top 10 by virtue of "there have to be 10 in a top 10, right?", but no. Give him another 3-5 seasons and maybe.

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Bizarro, maybe. That might work!

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
Ernst Stavro Blofeld? AFAICT he didn't show up until the ninth book in the series, although the films brought him in much earlier.

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Didn't he, like all Bond villains, die in the first movie and never reappear?

(Spectre, yes. Blofeld, no? I don't remember. Still, nobody is clamoring for Daniel Craig versus Blofeld, so I'm inclined to disallow.)

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
Nope. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld) Three books, seven films, if you count "Never Say Never Again" & "Thunderball" separately.

I'm not sure he'd fit into the mood of the rebooted Bond, but he's still as close as Bond gets to a recurring enemy. When people are making a Bond parody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Evil), who do they choose?

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:17 am (UTC)
moiread: (moirae • art.)
From: [personal profile] moiread
Yeah, the yellow-eyed demon remains the primary Big Bad that people think of, even though he turned out to actually be a Mid-Level Bad in the end.

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atesh42.livejournal.com
Took 12 years for Daredevil to get Bullseye.

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Oh! He's the dude with the white cat! He's DOCTOR FUCKING KLAW!

Okay, he counts. Excellent catch!

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Yeah, but was Daredevil "established" before then, or just some dude? I lack the context to check.

(For the matter, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, a Daredevil parody, are WAY more famous than Daredevil ever was or likely ever will be. Still, even they don't count, because relatively few people know they're a Daredevil joke.)

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Also, he showed up in episode 1, which disqualifies him from this particular list.

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartonian.livejournal.com
Harley Quinn?

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
You know, I didn't remember who Ruby is. I've looked her up and I still can't remember any scenes with her. Crowley at least has a couple of memorable ones.
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Date: 2012-10-13 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
She spent two seasons chewing scenery near Sam, before marrying him after betraying him to Satan. She's as close to iconic as the yellow-eyed demon is.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Established. Very established.

The TMNT weren't a parody; inspired, yes. But a parody is what the Pre-Teen Dirty-Gene Kung-Fu Kangaroos were to the TMNT, not what the TMNT were to Daredevil.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Ohhhh! She's not quite a villain in the sense of antagonist-to-the-protagonist, but excellent choice.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:14 am (UTC)
moiread: (moirae • art.)
From: [personal profile] moiread
Oh, right, he did. I guess I mostly remember the first season as being full of terrible campy monsters of the week (HAUNTED KILLER TRUCK!) and Meg being sassypants and Sam being emo murder-premonition boy and John showing up just long enough to sprinkle a little Asshole Icing all over before looking sad and wandering off again. I really only remember vague allusions to YED, and those mostly overshadowed by the burning of women on the ceiling in terrible CGI.

(Seriously, I only made it through S1 because I was staying with a friend in LA at the time and she introduced me to it by doing a marathon rewatch, so it's not like I had other options. Fortunately after that it got better.)
Edited Date: 2012-10-13 02:29 am (UTC)

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Admittedly I believe he initially existed outside the Wolverine context, but... Sabretooth?

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Harley is a semi-iconic Joker-accessory. She's not a Batman villain. She ranks way lower than SOLOMON GRUNDY, and so no.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:21 am (UTC)
moiread: (moirae • art.)
From: [personal profile] moiread
She was the blonde who followed the boys around being a helpful rogue demon, and later turned into Sam's brunette girlfriend who feeds him blood and turns him evil(er). She was definitely a fixture of the series for a long time, but I guess I don't think of her as a Big Bad because she didn't behave like a real villain until the plot twist right before she died. Up until that point she was either actively helpful or fucked up but neutral, so even though she was Working For the Villain All Along, the reveal didn't last long enough for it to really define her as a villain herself in my head. If that makes sense.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ichaos4077.livejournal.com

When was Sideshow Bob's first appearance in The Simpsons?

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
I'm not talking about her as a Batman villain. I'm talking about her as an iconic bad-guy character who's appeared in the Joker stories.

(And yeah, the Joker's a villain, but I think he's an established enough character that it's fair to assess characters who appear in his stories; and I do not say that lightly.)

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] speck.livejournal.com
Elmo

http://www.sesamestreet.org/muppets/elmo

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
*nods* I remembered her when I looked her up, but she didn't really leave me with much of an impression, and yes, the Only A Villain At The End making her not really carry much weight as a villain totally makes sense.

(If we were going with late-arriving iconic characters, I would so be saying Castiel.)
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