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Iconic, classic villains who are so associated with their ongoing property that they show up at or near the top of every Rogues Gallery, but didn't exist until LONG after the original property was well established.

1) Moriarty
2) The Borg
3) The Weeping Angels
4) Venom

Your turn, GO.

(And no, "Bane" and "Doomsday" don't qualify. NEXT!)

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Crowley, from Supernatural. First showed in Season 5.

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
No. Being the only surviving major villain and the topic of the current arc does not "Top Of The Rogues Gallery" make.

The yellow-eyed demon, sure. Ruby and Lucifer, sure. Crowley, makes the top 10 by virtue of "there have to be 10 in a top 10, right?", but no. Give him another 3-5 seasons and maybe.

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Don't know about "villian," but the Bizarro planet in Superman. Didn't appear for decades after the first comic.

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Bizarro, maybe. That might work!

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Date: 2012-10-13 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
Ernst Stavro Blofeld? AFAICT he didn't show up until the ninth book in the series, although the films brought him in much earlier.

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Didn't he, like all Bond villains, die in the first movie and never reappear?

(Spectre, yes. Blofeld, no? I don't remember. Still, nobody is clamoring for Daniel Craig versus Blofeld, so I'm inclined to disallow.)

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atesh42.livejournal.com
Took 12 years for Daredevil to get Bullseye.

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Yeah, but was Daredevil "established" before then, or just some dude? I lack the context to check.

(For the matter, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, a Daredevil parody, are WAY more famous than Daredevil ever was or likely ever will be. Still, even they don't count, because relatively few people know they're a Daredevil joke.)

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Date: 2012-10-13 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartonian.livejournal.com
Harley Quinn?

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Ohhhh! She's not quite a villain in the sense of antagonist-to-the-protagonist, but excellent choice.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Admittedly I believe he initially existed outside the Wolverine context, but... Sabretooth?

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Date: 2012-10-13 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kierthos.livejournal.com
As I recall, Sabretooth first appeared in an issue of Iron Fist. And it was several years after that appearance where he was verified to be a mutant. In his original appearance, he was much less bulky, although he had roughly the same costume, and he was presented as being a trained assassin with (maybe) clawed gloves.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ichaos4077.livejournal.com

When was Sideshow Bob's first appearance in The Simpsons?

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Irrelevant, since The Simpsons have always been crap, he said non-controversially?

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] speck.livejournal.com
Elmo

http://www.sesamestreet.org/muppets/elmo

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kafziel.livejournal.com
Darkseid as a Superman villain certainly comes to mind.

Would Sergeant Hatred count?

The Lawyer in Always Sunny, perhaps.

Barry Dylan.

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Date: 2012-10-13 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dominitus.livejournal.com
Sephiroth.

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Date: 2012-10-13 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falconwarrior.livejournal.com
From Final Fantasy 7? That's not canonical with any earlier FFs, and while it had a number of universe-expanding addons, Sephiroth was there from the start,

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormfeather.livejournal.com
The Catalyst. -_-

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Date: 2012-10-15 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com
This, complete with the -_- .

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sucrelefey.livejournal.com
Total heretic moment but since Christianity is an ongoing property(religions are just fandoms), then how about Lucifer.

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Date: 2012-10-13 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Er. My understanding is that the melding of the fallen angel/Morning Star/Satan ideas dates to the first century BCE, so I don't think that he counts as a latecomer to the Christian pantheon...

(I am reminded of Penny Arcade. It's late, I blame that.)

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormfeather.livejournal.com
Or somewhat more seriously, Apocalypse?

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com
The Master didn't come along until 1971, a good 7-8 years into Dr. Who's run.

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Date: 2012-10-13 09:08 am (UTC)
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Sauron?

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
"a ten-thousand-year-long prequel" does not push the introduction of the original villain of the first trilogy back.

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cmattg.livejournal.com
Pyramid Head.

To counter the obvious argument: If the Borg count(Second season of TNG, i.e. fifth season of Star Trek ever broadcast) then Pyramid Head(second game in the series, after the first established all the major elements) counts.

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Date: 2012-10-13 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Notably, "5th season" is still fairly late for a TV show, and Star Trek is special in that it had cult status with obsessed fans and conventions and the like for *23 years* before the Borg.

But sure, I can see Pyramid Head counting.

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Date: 2012-10-13 04:02 pm (UTC)
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Mr. Sinister of X-Men fame definitely counts.

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Date: 2012-10-13 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whisperkit.livejournal.com
Judge Death in 2000AD. (issue 149)
The Auditors in Discworld. (the only repeatedly recurring villains I can think of for the series, but didn't appear until the 11th book)
The Necrons in Warhammer 40k. (uh.. About 15 years in?)
Akuma in Street Fighter (6th game)
Igniz in King of Fighters. (8th game)

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Date: 2012-10-17 01:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Does issue 149 of a weekly comic count as a LONG after the original property was well established?

I'm not sure you could call Dredd well established at that point, let alone that it's a long time in. Definitely an iconic character, but it's more true to say that those story arcs helped establish Dredd, surely?

(was going to suggest Chopper, but by this logic issue 206 isn't 'long after' either really, and I'm not sure he'd count as a villain)

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Date: 2012-10-13 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartonian.livejournal.com
OOH!

Justin Achilli for Old WoD!

I kid, I kid.

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Date: 2012-10-13 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomelies.livejournal.com
Stretching definitions a bit, but Cthulhu? From the mid-late period of Lovecraft's career, gave its name to the whole Mythos...

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Date: 2012-10-13 08:47 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-10-14 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-hesitant.livejournal.com
Harley Quinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn) (1992)

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Date: 2012-10-24 05:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cmattg.livejournal.com
(Smacks forehead) I can't believe I didn't think of this when someone mentioned Sephiroth - KING GHIDORAH!

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