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Date: 2012-11-27 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
Didn't you already post this one?
Or am I remembering a different post with many entertainingly wrong answers?

Also, this sentence is false.

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Date: 2012-11-27 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I've posted this one before. I just ran across it again.

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Date: 2012-11-27 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
At some point, I'll have to see if I can find my copy of Professor Julius Sumner Miller's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Sumner_Miller) Enchanting Questions for Inquiring Minds. It's full of neat little problems with unexpected answers.


Example: Supposing you could fold a piece of paper in half 100 times, how thick would the result be?

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Date: 2012-11-27 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Assuming standard 20lb paper? About 13 billion light years, assuming I haven't slipped a zero or two along the way - and if I have, well, you should still have a good idea of the scale we're talking. "A quarter of the visible universe" .

Multiplication by two: It gets big, fast.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Fortunately, physics insists that we stop folding at 7 or so.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
... with a few exceptional edge cases (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAEBbotuIE).


I think there was a schoolgirl who mathematically proved the maximum was 11.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Mythbusters: Indeed/whoa.

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Date: 2012-11-28 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Yeah, 7 is by hand.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
No, you're not missing any zeroes, that's basically it. Although at the time it was published (sometime in the 60s, I think), the answer was "bigger than the known universe".



I've asked a lot of people this one, and the standard intuitive answers range from metres to kilometres, with a few outliers guessing it would reach to the moon (which is at about the 42nd fold (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28thickness+of+copy+paper+*+2%5E42%29+%2F+distance+from+earth+to+moon)). I've only met a couple of scarily intelligent people who, without having heard it before, gave good ballpark estimates off the tops of their heads.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
My initial estimate was "light years" just because I know 2^100 is a really, really, really big number.

I was kinda surprised by HOW MANY light years once I did the math.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:20 pm (UTC)
maelorin: (eye)
From: [personal profile] maelorin
i'm always reminded of the story that has someone being paid in rice grains on a chessboard, starting with one and doubling each day ... gets big quickly

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Date: 2012-11-27 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Depends what the right answer is, which is, naturally, the crux of the problem.

If we presume the right answer is "25%", then we have two chances of getting it right, but that means that random selection gives us a 50% chance of getting the right answer, and there's only one "50%" answer, with a 25% chance of randomly selecting it, so I have no idea. :)

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
Taking the question at face value with "this question" then the answer is 25% because that particular question only has one correct answer shown.

You could go slightly mad with things like this though.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
The question doesn't indicate that there's only one correct answer, though -- it merely asks, "If you pick one, what are the odds that you'll be correct"? (It does imply that the answers one is choosing are from the list that follows, and that at least one of them is correct, though.)

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Date: 2012-11-27 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
I'm taking the phrasing of "If you chose an answer to THIS question" as being key. That specific question has 2 correct answers showing so the odds of picking the correct answer (B) is only 25%.

YMMV on being that focused on the wording though.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
No, if the chance of picking the correct answer is 25%, then the correct answer is NOT B.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
that particular question only has one correct answer shown.

if the correct answer is 25%, then your chance of reaching it by choosing an answer at random is 50% - meaning the correct answer is 50%, not 25%.

If the correct answer is 50%, then your chance of reaching it by choosing an answer at random is 25% - meaning the correct answer is 25%, not 50%.

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Date: 2012-11-27 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Ooh, so my 25/50 flailing was not misplaced!

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Date: 2012-11-27 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
I think it all depends if the question is specifically about that answer set or about multiple choice questions in general.

In other questions, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

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Date: 2012-11-27 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
The correct answer to the question askedis 50%, so, IMO, the odds of picking that at random are 25%.

The odds of answering a generic question with those answers would be 25% and therefore 50%. But that question is phrased in a fairly specific way.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The correct answer to the question askedis 50%, so, IMO, the odds of picking that at random are 25%.

Which would make the correct answer 25%.

And if the correct answer is 25%, the odds of picking that at random is 50%.

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Date: 2012-11-28 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com
Fun question. I'd ask it down the pub later except I don't want to have a fight tonight :)

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Date: 2012-11-28 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
The REAL correct answer is zero - but that's not an option, and if it WAS an option, it wouldn't be the correct answer any more.

I love this question.

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Date: 2012-11-27 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fuster-cluck.livejournal.com
Dont feed the trolls.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boxcat.livejournal.com
Well, given the hoo-ha that happened last time this got posted, I'd have to say that reposting this counts as trolling.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kafziel.livejournal.com
A, or D, but not both. In a multiple-choice exam, only one choice is actually the right answer, even when arguably two different answers could be argued to be equally correct. You ever prepped for the SAT or similar, you know this.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Except that isn't "two arguably different answers". That's the same answer, twice. Which means, in this case, that if it's the correct answer, it's the wrong answer, and if it's the wrong answer, it's the correct answer.

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Date: 2012-11-28 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kafziel.livejournal.com
Ah, but they're not the same answer. One answer is "A) 25%", and one answer is "D) 25%".

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Date: 2012-11-28 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errolwi.livejournal.com
I've sat exams where it is allowed to select more than one response to a question. A proper exam will state the requirements of that exam. I see no reason to apply the rules to exams you've encountered to a single question stated without wider context.

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Date: 2012-11-28 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skington.livejournal.com
This is the statistics / logic equivalent of "have you stopped beating your wife?"

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:23 pm (UTC)
maelorin: (eye)
From: [personal profile] maelorin
yup.

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Date: 2012-11-28 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chalcedonygrey.livejournal.com
Oh, wow, that's just EVIL.

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Date: 2012-11-28 03:13 am (UTC)

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Date: 2012-11-28 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaosrah.livejournal.com
I picked an answer at random. It was 60%. (It was random! It must be right! Hah!) But when I read the actual answers, it's like, oh, duh, 25%. Then it's like, wait, there are two 25%, so it must be 50%. But wait... I HATE YOU, PROBABILITY!

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Date: 2012-11-28 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
First: That's not an option.
Second: If that was an option, it would be wrong.

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Date: 2012-11-29 03:09 am (UTC)
fearmeforiampink: (Truth doesn't make sense)
From: [personal profile] fearmeforiampink
"E) None of the above" works though, and is how someone answered it on my Facebook, albeit in two separate comments.

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Date: 2012-11-28 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twilightbloo.livejournal.com
I agree the answer is 0%, in that if you randomly selected any of the pre-existing answers you would be choosing an incorrect answer.

However, by adding 'E) 0%' as a fifth option you now have a 20% chance to select 0%, which then returns us to the original problem.

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Date: 2012-11-28 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hwrnmnbsol.livejournal.com
I am going to say either A or D, and offscreen there are also answers E, F, G and H.

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Date: 2012-11-28 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
If I had to nitpick my way out of this, I'd note that "choose at random" does NOT necessarily imply that all outcomes are equally likely.

For instance, if my random method is to roll a fair d6 (1=A, 2-4=B, 5=C, 6=D) then B is correct for me.

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Date: 2012-11-28 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mtext.livejournal.com
E) The only way to win is not to play the game.

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Date: 2012-11-29 04:20 am (UTC)
drcuriosity: (Flat cap.)
From: [personal profile] drcuriosity
How about a nice game of chess, Dr. Falken?

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Date: 2012-11-28 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dgg.livejournal.com
Depends who is grading the exam. I had a high school teacher once who used a holed out cover sheet that he would just place over the test. Made correcting the tests much faster. So in instances where I did not know the answer to a question I blotted out A, B, C, and D.

Got those questions correct every time.

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