Fucking hell, Mozilla.

[theweaselking]

Mozilla wants women to consider: maybe people who harass women and women who don't want to be harassed are just, like, two sides of an argument and both sides should be heard?

Dear Google: If you can fix your stupid goddamn tab position bug, between this and appointing the actively gay-bashing CEO Mozilla's made a very strong argument why I should use Chrome.

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As soon as I saw this exploding this morning, I reached out to a friend of mine on the inside.

"Well, fuck." ... "OK, I've done what I can." ... "Got an apology live from the @firefox account, Mitchell's made an announcement, tweets deleted, hopefully comments on the open standard get pulled soon"

I remain confident that there are good people on the inside, but after also trying to bring in a homophobe as CEO, I fear Mozilla is starting to lose its way on the ethics front.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I think we know several of the same people "on the inside".

And yet! It's not just that Eich was "a homophobe", it's that he was directly, materially, personally involved in attacking and persecuting his employees and customers. He wasn't just a bigot, lots of people are bigots. Relatively few bigots turn their bigotry into actual, material actions, beyond words; he did.. And they picked THAT GUY as CEO.

And now? Now, they posted a perfectly reasonable "no really this is a crap thing that affects tech" article, didn't promote it much, and followed up by soliciting misogynist posts from assholes, then retweeting a ton of bullshit misogynist assholes who praised them for promoting harassment of women.

When called on it, they removed not just the "defense of misogyny" post, but also the original post and *apologised for the original post defending women against misogynist harassment*. They didn't apologise for harassment, they didn't apologise for retweeting and encouraging harassment, they didn't apologise for taking a pro-harassment position. No, they just deleted those and apologised for THEIR ORIGINAL OPPOSITION TO HARASSMENT.

Did they just move Eich over to social media management?

I remain confident that there are good people on the inside

In the same way that there are good people at Google despite them still employing Justine Tunney. And yet, nobody at Google has been stupid enough to let Tunney near official Google mouthpieces, nor let her take positions on behalf of Google, nor appointed Tunney as CEO. They haven't even listened to Tunney when she said "Hey, let's take a position where we come down firmly pro harassment of women for daring to have opinions".

I believe Mozilla has good people on the inside. I'm troubled by the fact that Mozilla's "good people on the inside" are apparently helpless to prevent Mozilla from deliberately and actively supporting misogynist causes.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

I mean, seriously, they solicited a "response post" from the creepy-ass stalker whose blatant lies originally started "gamergate". And the only, ONLY reason they didn't post it was they were too busy recoiling and disavowing their original "harassment sucks" position.

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I hope they're transparent enough that there's accountability around these promises: http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/5/7161295/mozilla-says-gamergate-coverage-was-a-mistake

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Yeah. They still apologised for opposing harassment (but not for supporting it), and their new position appears to be that they want to remain neutral on the issue of organised harassment campaigns, not commenting to avoid the harassers from targeting them.

This is not a good position. It's a SLIGHT improvement on their previous pro-harassment position, but it's certainly not "being held to a different standard" unless by different they mean WAY LOWER.

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From my mole, who I will henceforth call Hans the MoleMan:

"For whatever it's worth, an editor at The Open Standard let two articles about GamerGate go up on the site. Neither of which was great, one of which was misguided. Somebody managing the @firefox account retweeted that, and without knowing what GamerGate was really about, decided to engage commenters. The internal revolt when that happened was a lot louder and angrier than the stuff that made it into the news. That isn't to say that this is one person's fuckup. The organization is accountable. We're going to do better."

[glaurung-quena.livejournal.com]

So glad I'm using Pale Moon instead of Firefox.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Makes me wish IceWeasel was an option. Seriously, WHAT THE HELL.

[skiriki.livejournal.com]

Somebody check what Opera is up to... I dread.