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“Uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the Front National.


I don’t care about losing users and I want you to know:

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant, and I shit all over you[1].”

(The Front National is the French extreme-right openly-white-supremacist-party. They’re the French equivalent of the UK British National Party , the Canadian Christian Heritage Party, or the US Republican Party.)

[1]: A less literal translation would be "go fuck yourselves"

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Date: 2015-12-10 01:09 am (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Derpy Hooves cloud)
From: [personal profile] frith
"et il t'emmerde" translates as "and he bugs the shit out of you", or just "and he annoys you". Il is he, not I. ^_^ Troisième personne du singulier, as in this conjugation of the verb to be: Je suis, tu es, il est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont.

Es que je t'emmerde? 8^D

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Date: 2015-12-10 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
He's the speaker. "I" is a perfectly cromulent translation, if less literal.

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Date: 2015-12-10 11:30 am (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Applejack cross)
From: [personal profile] frith
French is a very precise language, it's why 18th century treaties were written in French. English was left to run wild in the gutters while French was tamed and regimented by Paris. It would be rather disastrous if that degree of interpretation could be made in a legal document.

The author is addressing the xenophobes that voted for the Front National, telling them that an immigrant wrote this software and reminding them that the immigrant pisses "you" off.

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Date: 2015-12-11 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Actually, it's "I want you to know: your Notepad++ was written by an immigrant, and he says fuck you." :) The questioning version of emmerder is subtly different from the declarative version; another example of French precision. ;)

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Date: 2015-12-11 11:31 am (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Rainbow Dash evasive)
From: [personal profile] frith
A colleague at work suggested that it translates as "fuck you", but I countered that "va te faire foutre" is the correct translation of "fuck you" since I think they're about equivalent in venom whereas "emmerder" is quite mild. In French, the worst epithets are religious, in English, they're sexual. Thus, for a French speaker, "fuck you" is relatively mild, as is "tu m'emmerde".

Quebecois French would make a better fit for your translation: "et il t'envois chier".

Gotta run to work.

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Date: 2015-12-11 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
*shrug* I'm just pointing out that there's a difference between "tu m'emmerde" and "je t'emmerde", and there's a very reasonable argument to be made for the latter reading (namely: let's assume that even using the third person to refer to himself, the speaker is speaking for himself).

(Okay, I'm also pointing out that the idea that there is one correct translation for "fuck you" seems kind of reductive.)

See ya!
Edited Date: 2015-12-11 12:57 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-12-11 09:22 pm (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Derpy Hooves cloud)
From: [personal profile] frith
Further research indicates that you are correct! "il t'emmerde", I'm told, is très vulgaire and quite unlike saying "ce devoir m'emmerde", "oh! que je m'emmerde içi" and "petit emmerdeur, va!". Now I have a passing desire to make a list and have a French national grade it for degree of vulgarity. Il t'envoit paître. Il t'envois au diable. Il t'envois crisser. Il t'emmerde. Il t'envois foutre. Il t'envois chier. Il te met en tabarnak. Il te câlisse un doigt d'honneur.

Or perhaps some mysteries are better left unknown. 8^D

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Date: 2015-12-11 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironphoenix.livejournal.com
I would render it as "I don't give a fuck about losing users and want you to know: your Notepad++ is written by an immigrant, and he shits on you."

Translation is never perfect, but I think "shitting on" is a good translation for "emmerder", mirroring senses 1 and 2 as given in the Wiktionary.

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Date: 2015-12-10 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariaflame.livejournal.com
I thought it followed on from the previous bit. "Your Notepad++ was written by an immigrant and he shits all over you" (the 'he' being 'an immigrant')

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Date: 2015-12-10 11:20 am (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Applejack cross)
From: [personal profile] frith
If it was "he shits on you" it would be "il te chie dessus" from the verb, chier. "Il t'emmerde" and il te fait chier are two expressions that mean "he pisses you off", it's just that chier is more crass than emmerder. Il te fait chier and il te chie dessus are not the same actions or outcomes.

French is a very precise language, it's why 18th century treaties were written in French. English was left to run wild in the gutters while French was tamed and regimented by Paris.

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Date: 2015-12-10 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariaflame.livejournal.com
Ah. I'm afraid neither duolingo nor my French teachers at high school clarified this usage. I'd just assumed that emmerder was related to shit from 'Merde!' being used as an expletive equivalent to 'Shit!'

Thank you for the clarification.

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Date: 2015-12-11 12:21 am (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Derpy Hooves cloud)
From: [personal profile] frith
You are correct about emmerder being related to merde. The em prefix comes from the Latin in, meaning inside or towards, and merde is shit. A literal translation of emmerder would be to fill with shit or, more likely, to get shit on (someone). Thus, an emmerdeur is an unpleasant person as most people would rather not get shit on them. But figuratively, emmerder means to annoy.

You're welcome. ^_^

edit to add: Torrain is correct! This particular formulation of the phrase is about as vulgar as it gets. So "he says 'fuck you'" is the best translation here.
Edited Date: 2015-12-11 09:39 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-12-11 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
(ObQuibble: "je t'emmerde!" is "fuck you" and "tu m'emmerdes" is "you piss me off". So given that the author is speaking of himself in the third person, I really think a more reasonable reading is "I want you to know: your Notepad++ was written by an immigrant, and he says fuck you." not "I want you to know: your Notepad++ was written by an immigrant, and he pisses you off.")

(If only because I see no reason not to give the developer credit for speaking for himself, rather than insisting he is pissing off a bunch of strangers, some of whom might or might not care about him in the slightest.)

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Date: 2015-12-14 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
FWIW, given my imperfect knowledge of French, this is the translation that feels closest in spirit to what I think was intended.

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Date: 2015-12-10 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenicurean.livejournal.com
French is a very precise language, it's why 18th century treaties were written in French.

That's an interesting idea. What source should I look into for more on this?
Edited Date: 2015-12-10 11:08 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-12-11 12:03 am (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Rainbow Dash evasive)
From: [personal profile] frith
I remember that nugget from my classes when I was in High School, probably a history class, but you will get a little bit more precision out of this wikipedia article. Apparently, French replaced Latin, and English replaced French around WWII. Here again, is an article that states in passing that "most treaties of the day" were written in French.

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Date: 2015-12-11 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenicurean.livejournal.com
Thanks! I think the position of French as the traditional language of international diplomacy is pretty well-known, though. I'm more wondering where to go about this state of affairs having come about or having persisted specifically due to the French language's capability for precision.

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Date: 2015-12-11 09:31 pm (UTC)
frith: Cosgrove/Onuki (anime retelling) (Rainbow Dash evasive)
From: [personal profile] frith
Unfortunately, I don't know which had the most weight in influencing the use of French in written treaties. The aristocracy spoke French, and French was retooled by intellectuals (unlike English). Both of those aspects of the French language made it appealing. You'll have to track down a linguist to get the straight dope. 8^)

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Date: 2015-12-10 03:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Best text editor for Windows by a mile, probably better'n Kate is for Linux, like it more now.

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Date: 2015-12-10 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I'm a bigger fan of EditPlus, but I've never objected to Notepad++ and this makes me like them a good fair bit.

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Date: 2015-12-10 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skington.livejournal.com
Worth pointing out that the most famous swear-word in French is Cambronne at Waterloo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Cambronne#The_hundred_days_and_Waterloo), so "fuck you" is a reasonable translation.

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Date: 2015-12-10 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
I've been using Notepad++ for a long time, and this sort of thing is one of the many reasons why. One of the more principled developers around.


It's probably worth noting that FN have just had massive gains in the first round of local elections, and the other parties are scrambling to try to shut them down for the next round. Lots of analysis on why this is so, and how much of it is driven by two major terrorist attacks in Paris in one year, but basically there's a surging tide of nationalism and xenophobia in the land of "liberté, égalité, fraternité", and no-one seems quite sure how to combat it.
I'd consider moving somewhere more tolerant, but it seems every other country is heading in the same bloody direction. (Except maybe Canada, but I'm not sure I want to live on the same continent as Trump.)

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Date: 2015-12-10 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Canada wasn't looking good for a while - infighting and bad election rules let a party with ~35% support take absolute power against a number of largely-agreeing-with-each-other parties splitting a 55% "not THOSE GUYS" vote, resulting in a 3-5 year minority correction turning into a 10-year majority.

But it's looking better - the middle-left party of mostly sensible people tacked hard left to provide a clear alternative to the extreme-right incumbents, the socialist party tacked hard right for some stupid reason and essentially gave all their votes to the middle-left, and the result is a government with smart goals, decent ideas on how to reach those goals, and a mandate.

(If you're looking for a place that HASN'T just come out of a decade of misrule by incompetent and malicious kleptocrats, though, might I suggest Northern Europe? Finland in particular is looking pretty nice lately.)

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Date: 2015-12-10 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
Finland is having huge problems with their own brand of nationalistic xenophones. We Swedes have our own brand, and then just about everyone on the national level turned xenophobic during the last months (except the Greens, the Left Party, and the leadership of the remnants of the old rural-conservative party, which last boggles the mind).

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Date: 2015-12-10 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I didn't realise the Finns Party was quite that big. I was thinking more in terms of a historical reputation and their current experiments in actually funding government programs that work instead of ones tht make people unaffected by the programs feel good.

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Date: 2015-12-10 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenicurean.livejournal.com
The popularity of the PS has recently taken a significant nose-dive. A recent poll puts them at 8,9 per cent, which would place them fifth on a list of eight parties -- interestingly, several percentage points below the Greens. I think the proximate reasons for this are 1) that the current government is devoted to austerity, which is controversial among PS voters, and 2) that the PS has been perceived as reasonably ineffective at affecting agenda on the EU and on immigration. In recent weeks the coalition has tightened screws on the latter issue, so it may be that they will recoup some of their losses, but generally the direction is downwards. If there was a snap Finnish election right now, the PS would be trounced and the Social Democrats would come back in strength.

I rather suspect that their coalition partners expected something like this. The PS does not have the reprehensible pedigree that the Sweden Democrats have, so the Centre Party and the conservatives have been free to tame them, in the traditional Finnish way, by going into government with them and then, as it were, by embracing the life out of them. Finland still has its most conservative government in recent memory, but there's noticeable internal dissent in the PS.
Edited Date: 2015-12-10 10:37 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-12-11 06:52 am (UTC)
kjn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kjn
Good to hear that.

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Date: 2015-12-11 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenicurean.livejournal.com
Sadly, I don't think they're completely going to go away, but if this sort of thing keeps happening, there might even be an open split in the party. That would be interesting.

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Date: 2015-12-11 01:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
Yeah, you usually end up with 5-10% xenophobes no matter what, it's when they start to go up above that you start to get into trouble.

And yes, the transition from a populistic opportunistic party to taking any sort of real responsibility in power is usually a rough one, for any party. Note eg how Sverigedemokraterna here are struggling desperately to have just the right amount of racism, expelling members left and right. Recently, they shed their entire youth league.

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Date: 2015-12-11 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenicurean.livejournal.com
I've been hoping that the isolation tactics currently employed against the Sverigedemokraterna would prove effective. I really, really wish it won't take a few years of Åkesson actually sitting on top of any sort of ministerial brief for reality and modernity to come crashing down on the SD. (And if that absolutely has to happen, I especially hope they won't get foreign policy say, both from a European perspective and because whatever Sweden does in terms of foreign policy has a certain guiding impact on Finnish foreign policy.)

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Date: 2015-12-11 05:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
I think the isolation tactic has been rather a big failure here. From a tactical standpoint it worked to keep them out of influence for a while, but then we hit the last election, and things turned to chaos for the budget decisions, since they held the power to vote down the government's budget proposal. (They might be about to turn to chaos again this spring.)

But the huge strategic mistake has been from the big parties to come up with any constructive proposals for handling the integration, migration, and ghetto problems we do have here. Instead they've responded with more regulations, more flapping around, and so on. So SD was in the position where more and more of their proposals were turning mainstream, at the same time as they could play the bullied victims.

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Date: 2015-12-11 10:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
I really, really hope they fix the voting system.

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Date: 2015-12-14 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
Funny thing - we were originally aiming for Finland, but stuff happened and we ended up in France. FI is still an option, but after being in a non-English speaking country for some time, an unexpected issue has surfaced.


The problem is, learning another language after you've lost your pre-pubescent brain plasticity is really, really hard. (And Finnish is worst than most).

I mean, after some years of speaking it every day, I can get by in French. But it's still not native to me - I can't read or watch shows in French for relaxation (and my grammar is terrible). Understanding it takes some mental effort, which means that anywhere I go that isn't native English speaking, it's going to be mentally taxing to just go down to the pub and talk crap with the locals.
On the other hand, I have to balance this desire to communicate without effort with my ambition for my kids to be at least bi-lingual, preferably polyglottal.


On the gripping hand, at least I'm in a place where I have that choice.


... also, most Nordic countries maintain their ridiculous QOL stats via terrifying homogeneity, which is another thing I suspect I'd rail against if I actually lived there.

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