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Date: 2008-04-28 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
I suppose that not everyone has tolerance for the beliefs of others.

I'm tolerating the hell out of it. But, when you drag your beliefs into the public square, other people get to make fun of them. Especially when ur doin it wrong.

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Date: 2008-04-28 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
I love that passage and enjoy wielding it as a club.

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Date: 2008-04-28 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Actually reading the Bible is a big reason I stopped being a Christian.

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Date: 2008-04-28 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
At some point I was like "Wait, if God created everything, that means god created Satan and Hell!"

That was pretty much the end of it.
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Date: 2008-04-28 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
"So what you're telling me is that God could totally bring us all to Heaven but doesn't? Nice guy."
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Date: 2008-04-28 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
I maintain that Christianity is necessarily anti-human; anyone who believes in salvation hates humanity too much to participate in society.

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boixboi.livejournal.com
Well, no, only those sects of Christianity which believe in this form of salvation/damnation, which certainly do not encompass the entire of Christian belief (although intellectual honesty forces me to admit that those believers make up the
majority of Christians).

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
There's Christian sects that don't believe in salvation? How do they interpret the Incarnation and crucifiction?

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boixboi.livejournal.com
Ahh, I was taking you to mean salvation in the sense of human salvation from eternal damnation, as opposed to the salvation of mankind from the Old Testament God, who is a real asshole.

In the sense of human salvation, there's a number of Christian churches that are fairly open to the idea that God is complex and may include many beliefs which don't totally match up on the details, and that salvation is not achieved by picking the right one on the wheel-o-faith.

In the sense of Christ absolving the sins of man and what have you, the argument of the metaphor comes up frequently... Jesus was not a person who actually existed, he is this example of the theoretical concept of the son of God, he is an embodiment of the merciful side of God.

As it comes to more abstract Christian sects, such as the Quakers, The concept of the Biblical salvation is almost meaningless. It is our contemporary understanding of God, or the compassion of the mythical figure of Jesus Christ, which defines the belief-- not a two thousand year old book.

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
That's... that's barely recognisable as Christianity.

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boixboi.livejournal.com
Well, I am compelled to bring the issue up as I am a Quaker, and the vast majority of Quakers consider themselves to be Christians-- and would cite their main holy book as the Bible, at that. Mind, most of them can actually quote numerous Bible passages on the spot, as well, and that ability in itself makes them a fair bit different than your average Christian.

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
Er, Crucifixion, though "Crucifiction" has its appeal.

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
Likewise. Though i've liked reading it a lot more since I stopped, oddly.

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Date: 2008-04-28 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
then perhaps you mean that prayer is ridiculous. Contemptible indicates a much stronger level of dislike than i think it fair to assign to prayer.

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