Gotta love "Pro-Life"-ers

[theweaselking]

14-year-old Polish girl raped at school, pregnant, but, despite abortion being legal, can't get one - because deranged Catholics have assaulted and threatened to kill every willing doctor she can get close to.

She was taken from her home to "protect" her from her mother, because her mother supported her right to an abortion.

She went to one gynecologist who *said* she'd perform an abortion, booked an appointment, put the girl in a room, and then promptly called in a priest. Which is apparently legal because medical privacy laws in Poland are ethics-based, enforced by associations of practitioners instead of the courts, and the organisation has chosen not to pursue the claim against this woman.

Also,
11-year-old rape victim in Romania denied an abortion because "rape has not been proven".

Comments

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

and "using it as birth control" i mean women who are not responsible about having sex (i.e. no condom, no pill, no pull-out, no etc., etc., assuming that they are impurvious to pregnancy and disease and then when it happens to them for the 11th time, trot off to have a surgery.)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

Abortion is birth control, no matter who does it, how, why, or when it's done.

Abortion isa way of taking responsibility for your sexual behavior. What's more responsible than acknowledging that you do not have the resources to care for a child?

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

yes it is, and i think it is very important that women make that choice, and i applaud those that do.

I had a very dear friend have to make that choice. I walked her into the clinic to keep her from having to push the protesters away herself.

I mean women who have several a year -and i have a old friend who does this too. Although I defend their right to make that choice, i do not applaud it- after the 4th one in two years, i did not feel the need to keep sending her flowers and making her soup after a proceedure. especially when she would get all hypocritical about it. When i suggested birth control pills she said that she "did not feel comfortable doing that to my body." that is her choice to be irresponsible with her sexual activity. we are still friends.

I appreciate her taking the responsiblity of saying that she is not ready for a child, but if she was really serious about it, i feel that preventative measures would be a more mature, responsible and conscienous decision on her part. she is an adult.

"I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

I appreciate her taking the responsiblity of saying that she is not ready for a child, but if she was really serious about it, i feel that preventative measures would be a more mature, responsible and conscienous decision on her part. she is an adult.

I imagine she's having abortions because she is really serious about not having a child. From what I've heard, abortions aren't fun. Nobody gets their uterus scraped out because they have nothing better to do.

I don't know about the personal circumstances of your friend, of course, but I do know that birth control is expensive, prohibitively so, for many women. I also know that many women have adverse reactions to birth control, and not all women can afford multiple visits to the doctor, public health clinic, or planned parenthood to get the prescription that may or may not work best for them. I also know that for many women, condoms are the only way they can take responsibility for their sexual health, and, unfortunately, condoms break.

What I'm saying is that I don't agree with your automatic equation of multiple abortions with irresponsibility, especially when there are so many other factors affecting women's reproductive freedoms.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Just reading this, and remembering the time I tried a BCP that had me crying for a solid week every time I was on my period, and agreeing vigourously.

Thank you for saying this.

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

it's not the multiple abortions in her case (and i'm not talking about women with multiple abortions in general, i do not know them so i can not form valid opinions on their behavior) it's the using it as the ONLY form of birth control.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

So you know enough about her sex life to know she doesn't use condoms?

Wow. Y'all are really close.

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

we were roommates.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

...for all that people trot out this example, I have yet to ever meet (or, in fact, find a way to reasonably conceive of) any woman deciding that a pill or a condom was generally more inconvenient and less of a hassle that a several-hundred-dollar surgical procedure.

Where exactly do you find these women who use abortion as their only form of birth control?

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

They're college friends. And the one who has gotten multiple proceedures b/c it's her only form of birth control has gone to the clinic and had people pay (the fathers) for her proceedure, I don't know what her deal is. I would do anything to keep from having surgery.

the other person was on the pill and it apparently failed.

It's their life, and their decision, and i'm not trying to judge multi-girl for it, but i don't feel it's right for her to insist on being waited on hand and foot for something that, as painful as it may be, that has become a habit for her- same thing when she got the clap- she is the one that "doesn't like the q

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

"doesn't like the way condoms feel".

that's her decision, and it's not my problem.
we get along great, except for when she expects sympathy for not being able to learn a lesson.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

It's good of you to be able to tell that she expects sympathy for not being able to learn a lesson, rather than expecting sympathy for undergoing a surgical procedure.

But wait! She chooses to use it as a form of birth control! Apparently the uterine scrape (not that it's necessarily a D&C) is the most pleasant option available to her! So... why would she be expecting sympathy, again?

Perhaps you've misread something in the situation. I'm just saying.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

> I don't know what her deal is.

Then you're probably not in a position to pass judgement on whether she's being irresponsible and just thinks getting scraped out is the easiest option available to her, or whether there's something else going on which means she can't use another form or another form doesn't work for or isn't available to her.

(I mean, perhaps she *does* discuss all the medical details that are difficult and embarrassing to bring up even to a physician with you, her college friend. But without access to her medical files and inner dialogue, how the hell can you tell?)

>> Where exactly do you find these women who use abortion as their
>> only form of birth control?
> the other person was on the pill and it apparently failed.

If she needed an abortion? I think you can strike the "apparently".

But in that case, she's clearly not someone who uses abortion as her only form of birth control, and isn't an example applicable to the question.