Gotta love "Pro-Life"-ers

[theweaselking]

14-year-old Polish girl raped at school, pregnant, but, despite abortion being legal, can't get one - because deranged Catholics have assaulted and threatened to kill every willing doctor she can get close to.

She was taken from her home to "protect" her from her mother, because her mother supported her right to an abortion.

She went to one gynecologist who *said* she'd perform an abortion, booked an appointment, put the girl in a room, and then promptly called in a priest. Which is apparently legal because medical privacy laws in Poland are ethics-based, enforced by associations of practitioners instead of the courts, and the organisation has chosen not to pursue the claim against this woman.

Also,
11-year-old rape victim in Romania denied an abortion because "rape has not been proven".

Comments

[glitteringlynx.livejournal.com]

D:

Woe to the Women: The Bible tells me so...

This makes me SO mad!!

[sparkindarkness.livejournal.com]

"pro-life" is such a misnomer - I especially love how so many in the pro-life brigade (especially the conservative christian brigade) are so very against welfare as wlel - pro-life if you're a foetus. You've been born now? right we don't care any more.

And let alone the lives of these poor girls. It seems their lives mean nothing to the pro-lifers.

Oh and let's not even touch the pro-life brigade and death threats because that's almost funny.


gah it's stuff like this that really really puts me off organised religion

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

They are not pro-life.

They are anti-woman.

This is clearly evident in their positions.

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

i always wonder who whould immediately jump the fence if that was THEIR 11 year old.

i was attacked several years ago, and my friend (who is a Catholic Priest) kept me company at the hospital. He TOLD me to take the emergency contraceptive because he said that no one should be forced to carry their rapist's child. I love the Jesuits.

and ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE 11 YEARS OLD!!

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

i always wonder who whould immediately jump the fence if that was THEIR 11 year old.

All of them. "Pro-life" protestors get more abortions per capita than just about any other group.

You've read "The only moral abortion is my abortion", right?

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

exactly!
there is a difference between using abortion as a last resort (i.e. your 9 year old was raped by her brother) rather than using it a birth control!

I feel that most people don't realize that God probably has grey areas too!

I haven't gotten to read that, but i will google it right now and comments more.

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

That is a great article!

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

and "using it as birth control" i mean women who are not responsible about having sex (i.e. no condom, no pill, no pull-out, no etc., etc., assuming that they are impurvious to pregnancy and disease and then when it happens to them for the 11th time, trot off to have a surgery.)

[kafziel.livejournal.com]

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

*sigh* Okay, I'm just going to outline my personal positions on the whole thing. It's a bit different from the Official Catholic Position, but I truly believe that it's a more caring, compassionate approach, and that it's far more likely to yield an actual reduction in abortions and in human suffering overall.

I oppose abortion. I also oppose laws to restrict abortion, because of the actual impact of those laws on individuals and societies. I support sex education, prevention of unwanted pregnancies, and restriction of the spread of disease, including sexually transmitted disease. I support programs and policies which support single parents, make adoption easier, and provide non-judgmental counseling services for victims of rape, incest, and abandonment. I support safe and accessible abortion clinics. I support work to eliminate the stigma of unmarried pregnancy.

Jesus said of the religious authorities of his time, "They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger." (Matthew 23:4) It seems to me that today, "men" should be replaced by "women" in this context. If abortions are to stop, it must come about because women stop feeling a need for them, not because of the enactment of laws or moral codes.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

How do you feel about the Bill Clinton position on abortion? That position, for the record, is "abortion should be safe, legal, available, cheap, and extremely rare"

[ironphoenix.livejournal.com]

That would be my hope, yes. Without the other support structures though, it's not going to be as rare as we'd like it. Wishing is nice, but planning is better.

[goblinpaladin.livejournal.com]

"I support safe and accessible abortion clinics."

So you're pro-choice, then. The end.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

I like this.

May I copy it?

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

Abortion is birth control, no matter who does it, how, why, or when it's done.

Abortion isa way of taking responsibility for your sexual behavior. What's more responsible than acknowledging that you do not have the resources to care for a child?

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

And that's the kind of future the religious right wants for this country.

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

omg that is awesome!

[bambamkam.livejournal.com]

yes it is, and i think it is very important that women make that choice, and i applaud those that do.

I had a very dear friend have to make that choice. I walked her into the clinic to keep her from having to push the protesters away herself.

I mean women who have several a year -and i have a old friend who does this too. Although I defend their right to make that choice, i do not applaud it- after the 4th one in two years, i did not feel the need to keep sending her flowers and making her soup after a proceedure. especially when she would get all hypocritical about it. When i suggested birth control pills she said that she "did not feel comfortable doing that to my body." that is her choice to be irresponsible with her sexual activity. we are still friends.

I appreciate her taking the responsiblity of saying that she is not ready for a child, but if she was really serious about it, i feel that preventative measures would be a more mature, responsible and conscienous decision on her part. she is an adult.

"I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire

[torrain.livejournal.com]

...for all that people trot out this example, I have yet to ever meet (or, in fact, find a way to reasonably conceive of) any woman deciding that a pill or a condom was generally more inconvenient and less of a hassle that a several-hundred-dollar surgical procedure.

Where exactly do you find these women who use abortion as their only form of birth control?

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jeremiad/]

I appreciate her taking the responsiblity of saying that she is not ready for a child, but if she was really serious about it, i feel that preventative measures would be a more mature, responsible and conscienous decision on her part. she is an adult.

I imagine she's having abortions because she is really serious about not having a child. From what I've heard, abortions aren't fun. Nobody gets their uterus scraped out because they have nothing better to do.

I don't know about the personal circumstances of your friend, of course, but I do know that birth control is expensive, prohibitively so, for many women. I also know that many women have adverse reactions to birth control, and not all women can afford multiple visits to the doctor, public health clinic, or planned parenthood to get the prescription that may or may not work best for them. I also know that for many women, condoms are the only way they can take responsibility for their sexual health, and, unfortunately, condoms break.

What I'm saying is that I don't agree with your automatic equation of multiple abortions with irresponsibility, especially when there are so many other factors affecting women's reproductive freedoms.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

There are degrees of "pro-choice". One can sincerely believe that abortion is a tragedy while supporting it as a necessity.

And Mike does that.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Just reading this, and remembering the time I tried a BCP that had me crying for a solid week every time I was on my period, and agreeing vigourously.

Thank you for saying this.

[unknownpoltroon.livejournal.com]

There is a great article out there written by a clinic doctor about all the women hes treated who where anti abortion protesters, and the logic they used as they turned up, or brought their daughter in for an abortion. Usual logic was "MY case is SPECIAL"

The Dr. being a Dr. treated them.

[unknownpoltroon.livejournal.com]

Holy shit. A sane, reasonable stance, that fixes the problem!!! If there were more people like you, I might not be anti church.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

He's a very bad catholic, and his position has next to nothing to do with the church.

It's one of the reasons I like him!