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Date: 2011-05-02 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Deaf-mute is generally considered an offensive term these days, btw.

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Really? I genuinely did not know that. Looking it up, it looks like "speech-impaired" is preferred to mute, but I don't see any preferred term for "deaf". Is there one I'm missing?

(Either way, I've reworded it.)

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
The only mention in the article that anyone involved was "mute" is in the headline. Mute's a problematic term anyway, and particularly when applied to deaf/HoH people who sign exclusively - see this.

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
And taking tactfulness cues from the NY Daily Post is never a good idea.

Thank you for the heads up.

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anivair.livejournal.com
I can't even fathom why.

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
A simple google of "deaf-mute offensive" would have told you why, but I suppose that's too much effort.

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Pretty sure that was sarcastic.

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Date: 2011-05-02 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kafziel.livejournal.com
That google turns up plenty on why it's demeaning to assume that someone is mute simply because they're deaf, but nothing on why the term "deaf-mute" is offensive when applied to people who are both deaf and mute.

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Date: 2011-05-02 07:30 pm (UTC)
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Oh, GOD. I think I will stick to cats. At least their violence is understandable.

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Date: 2011-05-02 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spazcat101.livejournal.com
I knew that had to come from my wonderfully wacky home state...
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Date: 2011-05-02 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Avoiding the comment freeze, classy as ever. Couldn't let punching another fucking person in pain in the face go, could you. That's not what he meant by a good apology, you vicious worthless fuck.
Edited Date: 2011-05-02 10:39 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2011-05-02 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
He posted this before the comment freeze. In fact, he posted it before my "one chance and you're gone" comment.

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Date: 2011-05-02 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Fair enough. Read it straight after, so yeah.

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Date: 2011-05-02 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasmine-koran.livejournal.com
Somebody needs a lesson in apologies. But I'm guessing from everything that just transpired that you skipped "How to be a decent human being" class.

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Date: 2011-05-02 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
He posted this before the comment freeze. In fact, he posted it before my "one chance and you're gone" comment.

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Date: 2011-05-02 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Well, even given that, it was still pretty much a nonpology. But yeah.

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Date: 2011-05-02 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Only the timestamp difference keeps me from counting this as the one and only chance.
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Date: 2011-05-02 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Well that went well.

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
TWK posts about ableism, discussion of ableism ensues? yeah, I'd say that was kind of relevant.

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Date: 2011-05-03 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
You're completely inured to sardonic speech, aren't you?

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Date: 2011-05-03 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
I'm sorry for being prickly, and wanted to clarify to you personally that that comment was directed at the thread as a whole, not at you or any of the other participants. Making jokes is what I automatically do, and even though I'd skimmed the above post and knew you were intimately involved in it, I didn't think to realize that you had taken it so hard, as our weaselly friend has since hipped me to. It's no excuse, I just rub people the wrong way sometimes. I mean no ill, it's just how I cope.

And while I'm not deaf myself, I am fairly newly disabled (mentally AND physically, yay), and have experienced some sliver of what you've been through. I'm still learning myself how words or phrases that are 'normal' to most people can hurt us on the edges.

Again, I apologize for being an ass.

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Date: 2011-05-03 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ardys-the-ghoul.livejournal.com
You know, I have long since stopped being surprised at peoples' ignorance, but this almost surprised me.

People in my elementary and junior high school class thought I was mentally handicapped, and I often got bullied and made fun of--my issue is completely different from deafness, and I don't consider myself disabled, per se, but I do have a lot of sympathy for people who have also had to deal with difficulties in a world that wasn't made for them.

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