Oi, Lucas.

Feb. 23rd, 2012 07:56 pm
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Darths And Droids convinced me to watch Revenge Of The Sith for the first time since it came out, a few weeks back. Verdict: It still sucks completely, objectively as a standalone movie, as a sequel, and as a prequel.

But the Star Wars 3D thing and my running out of convenient westerns to watch alongside my game of Fallout New Vegas led me to toss in the original "laserdisc-on-DVD" version of Star Wars.

And I'm counting the number of blatant lies Obi-Wan tells Luke, which weren't lies at all until the prequels.

"I haven't gone by Obi-Wan since before you were born" - no, he was Obi-Wan until well after hiding Darth Vader's child on Darth Vader's home planet with Darth Vader's only living relatives. Which somehow worked.

"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough" about the lightsaber - no, your father didn't know you existed because he was stupid and never checked on what happened to his wife and nearly-born totally-saveable children.

"When I met him, he was the best starfighter pilot in the galaxy" - When you met him he was a slave child with anger management problems who'd never been in a starfighter, or even driven a pod. Fucking pods.

"Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father" - but that one was always a lie.

And Alec Guinness has only been onscreen for five minutes or so.

The history of R2-D2 and Kenobi actually fits pretty well with the inserted backstory, though!

Oh hey, Leia is lying now! "General Kenobi. Years ago, you served my father in the Clone Wars" - Liar! Although since Leia doesn't know shit about the Clone Wars except what her adopted father told her, and he had zero interest in telling his daughter the truth. Of course, as the Senator for Alderaan, father of the CURRENT Senator for Alderaan, one might have thought he'd have an interest in making sure his planetary representative to the galactic government was well-informed.

Anyone got a link to download that fan-edit of The Phantom Menace that cut all the bits that sucked, dropped 50 minutes from the runtime, and re-arranged the remaining parts into an interesting movie?

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Another lie: Those WERE the droids they were looking for!

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unnamed525.livejournal.com
Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

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Date: 2012-02-24 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
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Edited Date: 2012-02-24 09:49 am (UTC)

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Image

Smug-looking bastard.

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:29 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
He does look rather Smiley.

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Date: 2012-02-24 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] en-ki.livejournal.com
The +1 button is broken!

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
"Ooona Goota, Solo?"

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenanthai.livejournal.com
Anyone got a link to download that fan-edit of The Phantom Menace that cut all the bits that sucked, dropped 50 minutes from the runtime, and re-arranged the remaining parts into an interesting movie?

WAIT WHAT SUCH A THING EXISTS

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I've heard of it?

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duskwuff.livejournal.com
Star Wars I.I: The Phantom Edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Edit).

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Yes! That's the one I'd heard of.

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Date: 2012-02-24 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winneganfake.livejournal.com
Damnit, that wikipedia link really needs an external link to a download site. After reading that description, I think I definitely need to get my hands on this thing as well.

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Date: 2012-02-24 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I can't imagine where one might find something like that. (http://thepiratebay.se/search/The%20Phantom%20Edit/0/99/0)

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Date: 2012-02-24 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winneganfake.livejournal.com
Danke! (I mean, really, I would've had no problem searching for it myself later, but still, timesaving measures are awesome!)

And yeesh, people- does no-one believe in just doing a straightforward .avi any longer?

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Date: 2012-02-24 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Also: Carrie Fisher really doesn't look like Jimmy Smits.

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dantheserene.livejournal.com
* Removal of "Yippee" and "Oops" from Anakin's dialogue
That's all I can remember him saying. And it irritated me a lot. The kid will hardly appear in the film at that rate.

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dantheserene.livejournal.com
It is awesome and I am all for it.

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] errolwi.livejournal.com
Ha! The only reason I watched RotS about a year ago (for the first time) was so I could get the detail of what D & D was laughing at. I didn't have enough wine to plot out the gaping plot holes.

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I watched it in the theatre because I figured I owed George Lucas that much for all the awesome that the original movies gave me when I was 5.

This was a mistake.

The rewatch has confirmed that this was a mistake.

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Date: 2012-02-24 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeduna.livejournal.com
I watched the first* one and walked out saying "man, that game was hard...". It was awful. Like... Dungeons and Dragons movie awful. Dull, dull, dull, bad, dull. I never bothered really watching the next two. And then I sadly watched some of the last indiana jones film. STOP GIVING HIM MONEY AND CAMERAS. I won't even watch that hour long review that was being raved about - it might be brilliant, but it is still giving time and vis to George Lucas. STOP IT.

(* the one marked "ep I". No, its the first one. Shut up. No, not the one that came out in 1978. Just shut up.)

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Date: 2012-02-24 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I walked out of The Phantom Menace thinking I would happily buy a second ticket if only I could get a version that *only* showed me the scenes where a lightsaber was active on-screen.

No Jar-Jar, no Jake Lloyd, no dumbass fake-politics - for $10 I would consider watching Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, and Ray Park bash at each other with sticks.

And yet, somehow, nobody ever wanted to give me "only the interesting parts"

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Date: 2012-02-24 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
"Is this a kissing film?"

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coyotegoth.livejournal.com
I always thought of #4 as a metaphor, rather than a straight-up lie. Granted, one out of four still won't win him any Jedi honesty merit badges...

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Date: 2012-02-24 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
#4 was always a lie, and he had a story ready for it. The other three are just sloppy writing.

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Date: 2012-02-24 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius1.livejournal.com
I also always thought of #4 as a metaphor, rather than a straight-up lie.

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Date: 2012-02-24 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I have no problem with calling it both.

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Date: 2012-02-24 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nomadmwe.livejournal.com
Man, now I need to get off my ass and transfer the movies on VHS I have to DVD so I can actually watch them.

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Date: 2012-02-24 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
This may be relevant to your interests (http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/nqn91/does_the_star_wars_i_saw_as_a_kid_exist_in_a/).

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Date: 2012-02-25 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nomadmwe.livejournal.com
Oh god thank you.

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Date: 2012-02-24 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-dense.livejournal.com
the only good things, imo, that ever came out of the prequels were the Red Letter Media/Plinkett reviews, the ones that are 1+ hour running time each and kill each episode completely dead. those are masterpieces.

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Date: 2012-02-24 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dscotton.livejournal.com
RotS was terrible and I will never watch it a second time.

I prefer to think this is what really happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMgegut3UM

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Date: 2012-02-24 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
I was thinking "My memories must be clouded, it couldn't POSSIBLY be that bad", given the Darths And Droids deconstruction that was still pretty funny.

I was wrong. My memories were accurate, it really was that bad.

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Date: 2012-02-24 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
I got free tickets to RotS.

I still wanted my money back.

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Date: 2012-02-24 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com
It's not a lie, but I had some ISSUES with the bit where Obi-Wan walks away, leaving his maimed former-apprentice to a slow and agonising death.

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Date: 2012-02-24 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornae.livejournal.com
I've always been fond of The Luke Side of the Force (http://boards.theforce.net/jacksonville_nc/b10441/20294552/p1/), by Lore Sjöberg.

(Aside - RIP Brunching Shuttlecocks. I still miss you...)

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Date: 2012-02-24 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tyoko.livejournal.com
Much of Obi-Wan's behaviour in this film, and Yoda's in the next, can best be understood if they are frankly scared to death of what Luke might become. (Ben is also scared that he himself will make all the same mistakes he made with Anakin.)

That is actually an interesting explanation.

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Date: 2012-02-24 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j-v-lynch.livejournal.com
you might also enjoy this:

http://io9.com/5888010/what-if-the-phantom-menace-was-a-really-really-good-movie

not a bad variant at all.

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Date: 2012-03-08 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lirion.livejournal.com
Topher Grace Edited The ‘Star Wars’ Prequels Into One 85-Minute Movie and We Saw It (http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-edited-star-wars-prequels-85minute-movie/)

"The result is an 85-minute movie titled Star Wars: Episode III.5: The Editor Strikes Back. It should be noted that the Star Wars prequel trilogy is almost 7 hours in total length, and the shortest film (Episode 1) is more than 51 minutes longer than Grace’s fan cut. What this means is a lot of footage ended up on the editing room floor, and a lot of creative choices were made in the editing process. And the result? Topher Grace’s Star Wars film is probably the best possible edit of the Star Wars prequels given the footage released and available."

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Date: 2012-03-08 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Now we just need a way to watch it.

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