80s remake Slice Of Life:

[theweaselking]

torrain: "Complaining about paradox in a time travel movie is like explaining that water ALWAYS flows downhill, then going to the twentieth floor and flushing a toilet."

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[torrain.livejournal.com]

*grin* Exceptions for time-travel movies that work on the theory that time travel doesn't allow for paradox[1], but yes.
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[1] "You forgot one thing, dude. Only the winner can go back and set things up. And that's us!"

[rdmasters.livejournal.com]

And Primer.

I still have not the faintest idea if there was a paradox there...

[fatpie42.livejournal.com]

I think the thing about Primer is that it was a film about engineers, written by engineers, for engineers. It's not great if you are looking for an exciting storyline, but if you want a plot that you can make complicated diagrams out of then this is the movie for you...

[torrain.livejournal.com]

*curious* When did Primer come into it? I've heard of the movie, but wasn't thinking of it at all.

[rdmasters.livejournal.com]

Whenever people complain about paradoxes as being inevitable in time-travel movies, I point them at Primer.

The closest I've had to an analysis is "I'll get back to you". And XKCD.

It is worth seeing. Make sure you are very alert and awake. Or seriously under the influence.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

From discussion following the Rue Morgue review, I need to watch it at least twice.

But seriously, I'm not complaining about paradoxes being inevitable. I'm complaining about people who think that paradoxes mean a time-travel movie was bad, because apparently they think time is something that (unlike gravity), it's impossible to work around.

[rdmasters.livejournal.com]

From what friends of mine who have re-watched it say, it does not help!

Ah. Fair point. Although you can work around gravity, too. There are lots of ways of overcoming it. Temporarily, at least. And there are a couple of permanent ones. They just take a lot of engineering. And energy. A couple of universes worth of each, to be precise. But it can be done...

Just don't get me started on the whole "Nothing can escape from a black hole" thing.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Although you can work around gravity, too. There are lots of ways of overcoming it. Temporarily, at least.

Exactly my point; honestly, if you couldn't work around gravity, and make things behave in ways counter to the ways they behave when only being influenced by gravity in its un-technologically-modified state, you could not have water pumped up a building to reach a twentieth-storey bathroom.

And yet when it comes to mucking about in past and future through technology, there's this incredible reluctance to treat it as the manipulation of time, instead of simply going up the down river. There's the unspoken but assumed idea that the technology is that of a boat, not of dams and plumbing. And to unthinkingly accept that, to the point where if a movie clearly presents a situation where that isn't so the fault must be in the movie and not in one's assumption, annoys me.

Just don't get me started on the whole "Nothing can escape from a black hole" thing.

Oh? *curious*

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Nothing can pass the event horizon of a black hole without exceeding the speed of light, or CHEATING.

Cheating is totally doable.

[rdmasters.livejournal.com]

Cheating in this case being quantum tunnelling.

It turns out that you will get a certain amount of mass quantum tunnelling out of a black hole all the time. The net effect is that sufficiently small black holes evaporate to conventional small dense objects given enough time. IIRC, the critical point is about 2-3 earths for a black hole's evaporation rate to be exceeded by the absorbtion rate in 'average' deep space.

The cute thing is that the tunnelled mass can be in any form. ANY form. Now most of the time it is in the form of photons or sub-atomic particles. But there is no reason for it not be be more complex objects.

As one reviewer of the original (Hawking) paper pointed out, given the lifetime of the Universe, it is not impossible for Great Cthulhu to exist at some point in the Universe's lifetime. Just very improbable.

[rdmasters.livejournal.com]

I now have the 'trousers of time' image replaced by the 'mad plumber of time'. Complete with cross-pipes, valves, and leaky joints.

No mushrooms, though. Or coins. Or annoying music.

[orrin.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen Primer either, but, fun note: The guy who made Primer was hired by Rian Johnson to be the "time travel expert" or something for Looper.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

In Looper or in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey?

[iblis-kukl.livejournal.com]