If so: Wow, you have *no clue*. Hint: Not "pronouncing a word", not "fired", and sure as hell not 50 years ago.
If not: What the fuck are you talking about?
Either way: Are you seriously taking the Deen/Rice/RSHD side of "PC gone mad" and "feminism has gone too far" and "white people are the most hated minority today"? Because that's the impression I'm getting, and I'd like to know if it's the one you think you're giving.
I have this sort of internal vision of a ship, rather overbalanced, with a bunch of people on one side going "Nope, nope, nope!" and fleeing to the other as their side tips over, then repeating the exercise as the new side tips down. It's a bit Monty Python-esque.
Pardon me, please... I am too tired to be intelligent.
I don't take sides without more study than I'm willing to put into this. But if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Deen#Racial_discrimination_controversy is all the mob against her have got, well, it's not much of a case. They don't even give the dates that she allegedly said/thought these things.
Suppose 50 years from now, you get attacked for saying "That sucks!" in 2013. That's a slur against a sexual minority. I hope it becomes a taboo expression, but using it in 2013 isn't grounds for a mob ruining your career in 2063.
More important: Texas Governor Perry has called ANOTHER special session for July 1 to try to pass his anti-abortion bill.
Also more important: some dog-friendly kittens in Chattanooga need adoption, and the fee is only $35 each. See http://cmpriest.livejournal.com/1330032.html , details at the bottom of the entry.
So, for the record, you *were* referring to Deen and defending Deen along the Deen/Rice argument lines? Without, as you admit, bothering to look up what the problem actually is beyond a Wikipedia article not only subject to BLP restrictions but actively being edited by Deen's frothy mass of supporters?
Suppose 50 years from now, you get attacked for saying "That sucks!" in 2013. That's a slur against a sexual minority.
...people who are willing to go down on someone with a penis are a sexual minority? I mean, you have stats on that?
As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far. Thank you for making it clear that you are not interested in conducting an informed discussion on the topic.
I always enjoy when people say things that are indefensible, spend 2 (small) paragraphs trying to defend their view, and then end with, "BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY.... go worry about this thing, and stop illustrating at length how I am being a clue vacuum."
because, as is always the case, one can only have an opinion or be concerned about a single item at a time.
But you do definitely get points for trying to put on a Paladin's Cap of Lawful Goodery +3 by whipping out the pet adoption bit at the end. That's pretty inspired.
As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far.
Please distinguish the lawsuit from the media/mob flap and the moves to get her show dropped, The plaintiffs would not profit from her having less income with which to pay their damages if they win.
The lawsuit alleges discrimination in her business. Why the plaintiffs' lawyer in the deposition went so deeply after details of her past vocabulary (like Ken Starr going after details of Clinton's affair with Monica), we can only speculate. Perhaps it was intended as blackmail. Perhaps someone stole a copy and sold it to the Enquirer.
I have no interest in the lawsuit etc, and only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
You should probably not attempt to argue it without knowing anything about it, then.
only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
You do indeed have the ability to be uninterested. Goooood for you. You should also probably not try to argue this, either, since you don't care and don't know anything about it.
Suppose in 50 years, words like chick, broad, etc are taboo.
They're taboo now.
Should you be punished in 2063 for having used them in 2013?
The more you say this, the more I think you're still on about Deen despite admitting that you don't know anything about it and don't care that you're wrong, you just want to defend the white woman who said "nigger".
How about you try reading the original link and come back, maybe with a less-bullshit response?
Using "It sucks!" as a term for "It's bad" is a serious slur against gays,
No, "cocksucker" would be. "Sucks" is no more about gays than "fucker" is.
But given the rest of your answers here and elsewhere, I strongly suspect you're being deliberately disingenuous, not just blindingly ignorant. So you are cordially invited to smarten up and lose the "devil's advocate" position that you're too inarticulate to make work, or fuck right off.
That was my response to your last concern-trolling attempt, too, come to think of it. You should strongly consider whether or not you want that to be my next one.
Okay. I've never seen it specifically about homosexuals the way "cocksucker" is - "cocksucker" only ever gets deployed against men. The more general "that sucks" for me has always been in context either of "chest wound" or "the Lovelace unit", one of which involves penises but neither is about gay men.
Its entirely possible I'm wrong about the source, sure - but even then, I can think of a great many things that would be a "serious slur against gays" without *ever* reaching "sucks".
Oh, wait, does your ignorance extend so far that you are imagining the only time the word "nigger" came up in the lawsuit was during an assertion Paula Deen used it (to quote your first tag) FIFTY YEARS AGO?
(Off by a factor of ten, much...)
I imagine it must be lovely to be able to make up things to sustain your own "mild interest", and again, do thank you for making it so brilliantly clear that you treasure your ignorance.
I've only ever seen "sucks" as a reference to cocksucking, as opposed to "cocksucker", and I'm generally willing to believe the number of sexually active people willing to suck someone's penis is large enough that it's neither a "sexual minority" nor specifically homophobic. Mind, it'd be nice to have cocksucking and sex both not be a bad thing, and yeah, generally agreeing with you about houseboatonstyx.
(There would be, after all, a huge difference between it being 2063 and being nailed for saying "that sucks" in 2013, and it being 2063 and being nailed for saying in 2057 "oh, I want my relative to have a real fancy wedding, one with a whole chorus line of little dancing cocksuckers all swishing their wrists and belting out Abba like they used to in the movies". But the percentage in attempting to point out the false equivalency to that wilful ignoramus seems... low.)
Agreed. Given theweaselking's comment about their last concern-trolling, below, I'm getting the impression this is a semi-regular form of entertainment around here. Cheese and crackers? Grapes?
Oh yeah, let's totally ignore the "plans for plantation-style wedding with slaves", "sambo burger", "discriminatory hiring and payment practices", "discriminatory promotion practices", "non-compensation of overtime, with extra discrimination", "sexual harassment of women at the workplace by Bubba", "belittling, name-calling with racial pejoratives and harassing workers who are people of color"... and oh hey, all this in 2007ish and onward, which is totes like 50 years ago! :D
Oh and Food Network had already observed that even before this latest revelation, Deen's show's viewer ratings had been going down, which is a good reason for the network to do axe the show (hey, if "low ratings" can kill Firefly, then surely it applies here too).
Also, I believe it is called as "free market", when a private company picks and chooses who will represent their brand for maximum gain.
And for the specific 2057 incident being only one in a long series, both pre- and post- dating that, combined with a defense of "well, that's NOT homophobic, that's just how we are!"
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Date: 2013-06-26 10:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-26 11:08 pm (UTC)If so: Wow, you have *no clue*. Hint: Not "pronouncing a word", not "fired", and sure as hell not 50 years ago.
If not: What the fuck are you talking about?
Either way: Are you seriously taking the Deen/Rice/RSHD side of "PC gone mad" and "feminism has gone too far" and "white people are the most hated minority today"? Because that's the impression I'm getting, and I'd like to know if it's the one you think you're giving.
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Date: 2013-06-27 12:17 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 12:33 am (UTC)You asked what "going too far" WOULD look like.
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Date: 2013-06-27 01:19 am (UTC)Pardon me, please... I am too tired to be intelligent.
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Date: 2013-06-27 01:42 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 02:06 am (UTC)Because, y'know, there *have* been people defending Deen on grounds pretty much like what you just said.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:03 am (UTC)Suppose 50 years from now, you get attacked for saying "That sucks!" in 2013. That's a slur against a sexual minority. I hope it becomes a taboo expression, but using it in 2013 isn't grounds for a mob ruining your career in 2063.
More important: Texas Governor Perry has called ANOTHER special session for July 1 to try to pass his anti-abortion bill.
Also more important: some dog-friendly kittens in Chattanooga need adoption, and the fee is only $35 each. See http://cmpriest.livejournal.com/1330032.html , details at the bottom of the entry.
Bye.
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Date: 2013-06-27 01:19 pm (UTC)That's a slur against a sexual minority.
.... and now you're just reaching.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:14 pm (UTC)...people who are willing to go down on someone with a penis are a sexual minority? I mean, you have stats on that?
As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far. Thank you for making it clear that you are not interested in conducting an informed discussion on the topic.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 03:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 03:30 pm (UTC)because, as is always the case, one can only have an opinion or be concerned about a single item at a time.
But you do definitely get points for trying to put on a Paladin's Cap of Lawful Goodery +3 by whipping out the pet adoption bit at the end. That's pretty inspired.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:50 pm (UTC)As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far.
Please distinguish the lawsuit from the media/mob flap and the moves to get her show dropped, The plaintiffs would not profit from her having less income with which to pay their damages if they win.
The lawsuit alleges discrimination in her business. Why the plaintiffs' lawyer in the deposition went so deeply after details of her past vocabulary (like Ken Starr going after details of Clinton's affair with Monica), we can only speculate. Perhaps it was intended as blackmail. Perhaps someone stole a copy and sold it to the Enquirer.
I have no interest in the lawsuit etc, and only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:53 pm (UTC)Using "It sucks!" as a term for "It's bad" is a serious slur against gays, who are under serious persecution.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:53 pm (UTC)You should probably not attempt to argue it without knowing anything about it, then.
only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
You do indeed have the ability to be uninterested. Goooood for you. You should also probably not try to argue this, either, since you don't care and don't know anything about it.
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Date: 2013-06-27 04:04 pm (UTC)They're taboo now.
Should you be punished in 2063 for having used them in 2013?
The more you say this, the more I think you're still on about Deen despite admitting that you don't know anything about it and don't care that you're wrong, you just want to defend the white woman who said "nigger".
How about you try reading the original link and come back, maybe with a less-bullshit response?
Using "It sucks!" as a term for "It's bad" is a serious slur against gays,
No, "cocksucker" would be. "Sucks" is no more about gays than "fucker" is.
But given the rest of your answers here and elsewhere, I strongly suspect you're being deliberately disingenuous, not just blindingly ignorant. So you are cordially invited to smarten up and lose the "devil's advocate" position that you're too inarticulate to make work, or fuck right off.
That was my response to your last concern-trolling attempt, too, come to think of it. You should strongly consider whether or not you want that to be my next one.
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Date: 2013-06-27 06:01 pm (UTC)Not that I think this at all supports
(When I was a youth the phrase “sucks the bag” was also A Thing and I was always puzzled, thinking about sucking on a dirty plastic bag or somesuch)
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Date: 2013-06-27 06:32 pm (UTC)Its entirely possible I'm wrong about the source, sure - but even then, I can think of a great many things that would be a "serious slur against gays" without *ever* reaching "sucks".
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Date: 2013-06-27 07:16 pm (UTC)(Off by a factor of ten, much...)
I imagine it must be lovely to be able to make up things to sustain your own "mild interest", and again, do thank you for making it so brilliantly clear that you treasure your ignorance.
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Date: 2013-06-27 07:24 pm (UTC)(There would be, after all, a huge difference between it being 2063 and being nailed for saying "that sucks" in 2013, and it being 2063 and being nailed for saying in 2057 "oh, I want my relative to have a real fancy wedding, one with a whole chorus line of little dancing cocksuckers all swishing their wrists and belting out Abba like they used to in the movies". But the percentage in attempting to point out the false equivalency to that wilful ignoramus seems... low.)
(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 07:27 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 07:39 pm (UTC)'ere, let me bring some great, decadently dark chocolate with a blending of thick cream. So good that it makes toes curl!
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Date: 2013-06-27 07:49 pm (UTC)Oh and Food Network had already observed that even before this latest revelation, Deen's show's viewer ratings had been going down, which is a good reason for the network to do axe the show (hey, if "low ratings" can kill Firefly, then surely it applies here too).
Also, I believe it is called as "free market", when a private company picks and chooses who will represent their brand for maximum gain.
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Date: 2013-06-27 07:54 pm (UTC)