If so: Wow, you have *no clue*. Hint: Not "pronouncing a word", not "fired", and sure as hell not 50 years ago.
If not: What the fuck are you talking about?
Either way: Are you seriously taking the Deen/Rice/RSHD side of "PC gone mad" and "feminism has gone too far" and "white people are the most hated minority today"? Because that's the impression I'm getting, and I'd like to know if it's the one you think you're giving.
Agreed. Given theweaselking's comment about their last concern-trolling, below, I'm getting the impression this is a semi-regular form of entertainment around here. Cheese and crackers? Grapes?
That sounds amazing. And the ignoramus appears to have wandered off for the evening (I hope), so this promises a much more relaxing and pleasant environment. :)
I don't take sides without more study than I'm willing to put into this. But if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Deen#Racial_discrimination_controversy is all the mob against her have got, well, it's not much of a case. They don't even give the dates that she allegedly said/thought these things.
Suppose 50 years from now, you get attacked for saying "That sucks!" in 2013. That's a slur against a sexual minority. I hope it becomes a taboo expression, but using it in 2013 isn't grounds for a mob ruining your career in 2063.
More important: Texas Governor Perry has called ANOTHER special session for July 1 to try to pass his anti-abortion bill.
Also more important: some dog-friendly kittens in Chattanooga need adoption, and the fee is only $35 each. See http://cmpriest.livejournal.com/1330032.html , details at the bottom of the entry.
So, for the record, you *were* referring to Deen and defending Deen along the Deen/Rice argument lines? Without, as you admit, bothering to look up what the problem actually is beyond a Wikipedia article not only subject to BLP restrictions but actively being edited by Deen's frothy mass of supporters?
Suppose in 50 years, words like chick, broad, etc are taboo.
They're taboo now.
Should you be punished in 2063 for having used them in 2013?
The more you say this, the more I think you're still on about Deen despite admitting that you don't know anything about it and don't care that you're wrong, you just want to defend the white woman who said "nigger".
How about you try reading the original link and come back, maybe with a less-bullshit response?
Using "It sucks!" as a term for "It's bad" is a serious slur against gays,
No, "cocksucker" would be. "Sucks" is no more about gays than "fucker" is.
But given the rest of your answers here and elsewhere, I strongly suspect you're being deliberately disingenuous, not just blindingly ignorant. So you are cordially invited to smarten up and lose the "devil's advocate" position that you're too inarticulate to make work, or fuck right off.
That was my response to your last concern-trolling attempt, too, come to think of it. You should strongly consider whether or not you want that to be my next one.
Suppose 50 years from now, you get attacked for saying "That sucks!" in 2013. That's a slur against a sexual minority.
...people who are willing to go down on someone with a penis are a sexual minority? I mean, you have stats on that?
As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far. Thank you for making it clear that you are not interested in conducting an informed discussion on the topic.
As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far.
Please distinguish the lawsuit from the media/mob flap and the moves to get her show dropped, The plaintiffs would not profit from her having less income with which to pay their damages if they win.
The lawsuit alleges discrimination in her business. Why the plaintiffs' lawyer in the deposition went so deeply after details of her past vocabulary (like Ken Starr going after details of Clinton's affair with Monica), we can only speculate. Perhaps it was intended as blackmail. Perhaps someone stole a copy and sold it to the Enquirer.
I have no interest in the lawsuit etc, and only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
You should probably not attempt to argue it without knowing anything about it, then.
only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
You do indeed have the ability to be uninterested. Goooood for you. You should also probably not try to argue this, either, since you don't care and don't know anything about it.
Oh, wait, does your ignorance extend so far that you are imagining the only time the word "nigger" came up in the lawsuit was during an assertion Paula Deen used it (to quote your first tag) FIFTY YEARS AGO?
(Off by a factor of ten, much...)
I imagine it must be lovely to be able to make up things to sustain your own "mild interest", and again, do thank you for making it so brilliantly clear that you treasure your ignorance.
I always enjoy when people say things that are indefensible, spend 2 (small) paragraphs trying to defend their view, and then end with, "BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY.... go worry about this thing, and stop illustrating at length how I am being a clue vacuum."
because, as is always the case, one can only have an opinion or be concerned about a single item at a time.
But you do definitely get points for trying to put on a Paladin's Cap of Lawful Goodery +3 by whipping out the pet adoption bit at the end. That's pretty inspired.
Actually She DIDN'T say it in reference to organising a slave plantation themed restaurant, because she didn't feel that the black people she was thinking of hiring to act as slaves for the restaurant (obSF: Clarke's Empire Earth) were THOSE bad kind of black people who one naturally calls niggers.
Unlike the employee she DID recently call a nigger and who is now sueing her for it.
Who? (I can't figure out to whom you're replying, as threading is sort of wonky now with all the replies.)
Because my point is that Paula Deen has, as per deposition and articles researched and written about her, shown a pretty rotten streak for a good while in present moment, not just some nebulous fifty years ago. She isn't just one old lady who had a single slip of a tongue in the past and who is getting crucified or mob lynched by PC crowd gone crazy.
The court deposition is pretty bleak reading. Her recent crying fit apology felt like she was sorry that she got caught and being told that the stuff she does is not okay, not really sorry for what she had done or said. She built a house of cards, on assumption that she can keep saying and doing whatever she likes because other people are not going to stand up for their rights, and now it is all coming down.
I have this sort of internal vision of a ship, rather overbalanced, with a bunch of people on one side going "Nope, nope, nope!" and fleeing to the other as their side tips over, then repeating the exercise as the new side tips down. It's a bit Monty Python-esque.
Pardon me, please... I am too tired to be intelligent.
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Date: 2013-06-26 10:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-26 11:08 pm (UTC)If so: Wow, you have *no clue*. Hint: Not "pronouncing a word", not "fired", and sure as hell not 50 years ago.
If not: What the fuck are you talking about?
Either way: Are you seriously taking the Deen/Rice/RSHD side of "PC gone mad" and "feminism has gone too far" and "white people are the most hated minority today"? Because that's the impression I'm getting, and I'd like to know if it's the one you think you're giving.
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Date: 2013-06-27 12:17 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2013-06-27 07:27 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2013-06-27 07:39 pm (UTC)'ere, let me bring some great, decadently dark chocolate with a blending of thick cream. So good that it makes toes curl!
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Date: 2013-06-27 09:00 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2013-06-27 12:33 am (UTC)You asked what "going too far" WOULD look like.
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Date: 2013-06-27 02:06 am (UTC)Because, y'know, there *have* been people defending Deen on grounds pretty much like what you just said.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:03 am (UTC)Suppose 50 years from now, you get attacked for saying "That sucks!" in 2013. That's a slur against a sexual minority. I hope it becomes a taboo expression, but using it in 2013 isn't grounds for a mob ruining your career in 2063.
More important: Texas Governor Perry has called ANOTHER special session for July 1 to try to pass his anti-abortion bill.
Also more important: some dog-friendly kittens in Chattanooga need adoption, and the fee is only $35 each. See http://cmpriest.livejournal.com/1330032.html , details at the bottom of the entry.
Bye.
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Date: 2013-06-27 01:19 pm (UTC)That's a slur against a sexual minority.
.... and now you're just reaching.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:53 pm (UTC)Using "It sucks!" as a term for "It's bad" is a serious slur against gays, who are under serious persecution.
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Date: 2013-06-27 04:04 pm (UTC)They're taboo now.
Should you be punished in 2063 for having used them in 2013?
The more you say this, the more I think you're still on about Deen despite admitting that you don't know anything about it and don't care that you're wrong, you just want to defend the white woman who said "nigger".
How about you try reading the original link and come back, maybe with a less-bullshit response?
Using "It sucks!" as a term for "It's bad" is a serious slur against gays,
No, "cocksucker" would be. "Sucks" is no more about gays than "fucker" is.
But given the rest of your answers here and elsewhere, I strongly suspect you're being deliberately disingenuous, not just blindingly ignorant. So you are cordially invited to smarten up and lose the "devil's advocate" position that you're too inarticulate to make work, or fuck right off.
That was my response to your last concern-trolling attempt, too, come to think of it. You should strongly consider whether or not you want that to be my next one.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:14 pm (UTC)...people who are willing to go down on someone with a penis are a sexual minority? I mean, you have stats on that?
As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far. Thank you for making it clear that you are not interested in conducting an informed discussion on the topic.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:50 pm (UTC)As to the rest of it: yes, you are correct, if the blatantly inaccurate misrepresentation of the lawsuit against Paula Deen that you outline was accurate, that would indeed be going too far.
Please distinguish the lawsuit from the media/mob flap and the moves to get her show dropped, The plaintiffs would not profit from her having less income with which to pay their damages if they win.
The lawsuit alleges discrimination in her business. Why the plaintiffs' lawyer in the deposition went so deeply after details of her past vocabulary (like Ken Starr going after details of Clinton's affair with Monica), we can only speculate. Perhaps it was intended as blackmail. Perhaps someone stole a copy and sold it to the Enquirer.
I have no interest in the lawsuit etc, and only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:53 pm (UTC)You should probably not attempt to argue it without knowing anything about it, then.
only a mild interest in the way the vocabulary flap is being presented.
You do indeed have the ability to be uninterested. Goooood for you. You should also probably not try to argue this, either, since you don't care and don't know anything about it.
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Date: 2013-06-27 07:16 pm (UTC)(Off by a factor of ten, much...)
I imagine it must be lovely to be able to make up things to sustain your own "mild interest", and again, do thank you for making it so brilliantly clear that you treasure your ignorance.
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Date: 2013-06-27 03:30 pm (UTC)because, as is always the case, one can only have an opinion or be concerned about a single item at a time.
But you do definitely get points for trying to put on a Paladin's Cap of Lawful Goodery +3 by whipping out the pet adoption bit at the end. That's pretty inspired.
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Date: 2013-06-27 08:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2013-06-27 09:34 pm (UTC)Unlike the employee she DID recently call a nigger and who is now sueing her for it.
FACTS: you don't have them.
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Date: 2013-06-27 09:51 pm (UTC)Because my point is that Paula Deen has, as per deposition and articles researched and written about her, shown a pretty rotten streak for a good while in present moment, not just some nebulous fifty years ago. She isn't just one old lady who had a single slip of a tongue in the past and who is getting crucified or mob lynched by PC crowd gone crazy.
The court deposition is pretty bleak reading. Her recent crying fit apology felt like she was sorry that she got caught and being told that the stuff she does is not okay, not really sorry for what she had done or said. She built a house of cards, on assumption that she can keep saying and doing whatever she likes because other people are not going to stand up for their rights, and now it is all coming down.
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Date: 2013-06-28 03:24 am (UTC)If there were good evidence for that (like a recording), I expect it would be all over the internet by now. Link?
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Date: 2013-06-27 01:19 am (UTC)Pardon me, please... I am too tired to be intelligent.
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Date: 2013-06-27 01:42 am (UTC)