I don't know about the Surete, but I have a lot of trouble these days (okay, the late 60s early 70s were also a bad time) trusting what the Mounties say.
They admitted to having UC's in the crowd. They denied using them to incite violence, and there is no evidence that they did (just a Union President claiming it - hardly a reliable source). Given the actions of protesters in our cities in the past, I am not opposed to the use of UC's to counter the threat that a good number of protesters pose to personal property, civilians, and the safety of law enforcement personnel.
They admitted that the masked, armed people who they'd put into the crowd, who, when confronted by the real protesters, "attacked" the cops and were "arrested".
The natural assumption, then, is that all the *other* times masked, armed people have joined a protest, not been confronted, and then attacked the police, inciting a violent response against the protesters and undermining the effort of the protest? Where all those other masked, armed people have been pointedly and publicly arrested and then never heard from again, not even on the list of the arrested? Those cases are fakes, too.
All those other cases of "violence from protesters" are put in doubt by the police doing this, this time, and it leads to very serious questions about exactly how much of a threat "a good number of protesters pose to personal property, civilians, and the safety of law enforcement personnel."
When the protesters started to ASSAULT them (trying to yank down the bandanna, etc), they used an out, which was in place ahead of time. They did that for their personal protection. I have been in the middle of a simulated riot, and being swamped by a lot of hostile people is not a lot of fun. You need a fast route out, when things start to go badly.
And there have been a number of confirmed arrests of protesters in the past. The key is that the police usually go "You did something really stupid, but we aren't going to press charges. Please don't do it again." A failure of the justice system, in my opinion - but that is another topic entirely.
I know law enforcement officers, who are on the riot team in Ottawa. I also know people who protest just about everything they can. Credibility goes to the guys holding a line against people tossing bricks, bottles, trying to breach the line, smashing in windows of businesses, and assaulting people taking footage with cameras.
Credibility goes to the guys holding a line against people tossing bricks, bottles, trying to breach the line, smashing in windows of businesses, and assaulting people taking footage with cameras.
You're lying. If you really believed that, you wouldn't be impugning the credibility of the Union President who does exactly that in the video, asshole.
Not by you- you're just a scared, frightened little child so afraid of the big bad horrible Other that you retreat into fantasies of being protected by Big Daddy Government who smacks down the Other with riot cops and swat teams.
It's the force that you've surrendered yourself to that needs to go, and it's not something that can be voted out.
Watch the fucking video, asshole. The UC's are carrying rocks and heading toward a line of riot cops and trying to stir up shit. That's inciting violence right there, retard.
Given the actions of protesters in our cities in the past, I am not opposed to the use of UC's to counter the threat that a good number of protesters pose to personal property, civilians, and the safety of law enforcement personnel.
Given the actions of riot cops in the past, my only regret is that protestors don't carry firearms. You're a piece of shit.
That's a shame. I was looking forward to meeting you. But since there is no chance of you having to debate this with me face-to-face, you may return to your regularly scheduled cowardly internet insults.
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Date: 2007-08-26 08:50 am (UTC)Which is pretty sad.
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Date: 2007-08-26 04:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-26 05:37 pm (UTC)The natural assumption, then, is that all the *other* times masked, armed people have joined a protest, not been confronted, and then attacked the police, inciting a violent response against the protesters and undermining the effort of the protest? Where all those other masked, armed people have been pointedly and publicly arrested and then never heard from again, not even on the list of the arrested? Those cases are fakes, too.
All those other cases of "violence from protesters" are put in doubt by the police doing this, this time, and it leads to very serious questions about exactly how much of a threat "a good number of protesters pose to personal property, civilians, and the safety of law enforcement personnel."
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Date: 2007-08-26 06:20 pm (UTC)And there have been a number of confirmed arrests of protesters in the past. The key is that the police usually go "You did something really stupid, but we aren't going to press charges. Please don't do it again." A failure of the justice system, in my opinion - but that is another topic entirely.
I know law enforcement officers, who are on the riot team in Ottawa. I also know people who protest just about everything they can. Credibility goes to the guys holding a line against people tossing bricks, bottles, trying to breach the line, smashing in windows of businesses, and assaulting people taking footage with cameras.
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Date: 2007-08-26 06:27 pm (UTC)You're lying. If you really believed that, you wouldn't be impugning the credibility of the Union President who does exactly that in the video, asshole.
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Date: 2007-08-26 06:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-26 06:38 pm (UTC)It's the force that you've surrendered yourself to that needs to go, and it's not something that can be voted out.
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Date: 2007-08-26 06:41 pm (UTC)Fight THE MAN, man!
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Date: 2007-08-26 06:44 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-26 06:48 pm (UTC)(I'm taking you about as seriously as you seem to take reality.)
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Date: 2007-08-26 05:57 pm (UTC)Given the actions of protesters in our cities in the past, I am not opposed to the use of UC's to counter the threat that a good number of protesters pose to personal property, civilians, and the safety of law enforcement personnel.
Given the actions of riot cops in the past, my only regret is that protestors don't carry firearms. You're a piece of shit.
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Date: 2007-08-26 06:21 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-26 06:26 pm (UTC)I have a big mouth in general when confronted with pieces of shit like yourself.
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Date: 2007-08-26 07:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-26 08:00 pm (UTC)Canadian.
Enough said.
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