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14-year-old Polish girl raped at school, pregnant, but, despite abortion being legal, can't get one - because deranged Catholics have assaulted and threatened to kill every willing doctor she can get close to.

She was taken from her home to "protect" her from her mother, because her mother supported her right to an abortion.

She went to one gynecologist who *said* she'd perform an abortion, booked an appointment, put the girl in a room, and then promptly called in a priest. Which is apparently legal because medical privacy laws in Poland are ethics-based, enforced by associations of practitioners instead of the courts, and the organisation has chosen not to pursue the claim against this woman.

Also,
11-year-old rape victim in Romania denied an abortion because "rape has not been proven".

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Date: 2008-06-25 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goblinpaladin.livejournal.com
"I support safe and accessible abortion clinics."

So you're pro-choice, then. The end.

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Date: 2008-06-25 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
There are degrees of "pro-choice". One can sincerely believe that abortion is a tragedy while supporting it as a necessity.

And Mike does that.

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Date: 2008-06-26 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goblinpaladin.livejournal.com
Well, yes. Fair enough.

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Date: 2008-06-26 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badbadbookworm.livejournal.com
That suggests that there are pro-choicers who think abortion is happy-jolly-funtimes.

Nobody thinks abortion is ideal, but if you support it as a necessity, you're pro-choice. Simple as.

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Date: 2008-06-26 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironphoenix.livejournal.com
I have heard people take the position that it's nothing more than a medical procedure to remove an unwanted growth, with no more moral dimension than an appendectomy or the removal of a tumor.

I'm with [livejournal.com profile] theweaselking: there are indeed degrees of "pro-choice".

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Date: 2008-06-27 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badbadbookworm.livejournal.com
I'm going to have to think about that one.

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Date: 2008-06-26 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironphoenix.livejournal.com
A lot of people who call themselves pro-choice would disagree with you, I think.

I don't usually fit well into either side of a debate as polarized as this one is, sadly... you could as easily have said,
"I oppose abortion."

So you're pro-life, then. The end.
I'm both, and that puts me on a side that doesn't have a lot of vocal supporters.

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Date: 2008-06-26 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goblinpaladin.livejournal.com
Oh, you and your nuanced views and your careful statements.

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Date: 2008-06-26 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
It's really part of why I value his opinions so highly.

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Date: 2008-06-26 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironphoenix.livejournal.com
*is embarrassed*

Thank you.

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