Remember, being "pro-life" is prima facie evidence of gross mental incompetence.

[theweaselking]

Pregnant 13-year-old who wants an abortion is denied one, because she's "too young to make that kind of decision".

So.

Does she die from a botched illegal abortion, does she die from a botched home-brewed abortion, does she O.D. on an attempt to abort chemically, does she successfully give birth and have the rest of her life ruined, does she successfully give birth and have the baby taken away because she's "too young" to do that, too, or does she successfully abort and get charged with "murder"?

Place your bets now!

Comments

[catlin.livejournal.com]

Most likely, they will make her deliver, and than take the baby away, thus putting her through even more hell than a legal abortion would have. Cause she has to go through the hell of a high risk pregnancy, and assuming she survives, always wonder what happenned to the baby. And given she is in state custody already, she has no family to raise it for her probably.

This judge is skipping over the fact that Pregnancy is just plain dangerous at her age. She could come out of it fine, sure, but it is more likely to cause irreperable damage to her health and mental welfare.

[missysedai.livejournal.com]

Oh, hell, he's skipping over the fact that pregnancy can be dangerous at any age.

I'd like for that judge to experience pregnancy. Preferably one like the one I had with my youngest, which can only be charitably described as hellish, with a side of misery.

[missysedai.livejournal.com]

I hate these people. I hate them, I hate their "religious" bullshit, I hate that they keep sticking their faces in where they do not belong.

This shit just makes me seethingly angry.

[kali-kali.livejournal.com]

Opposing abortion is not always a religious issue, FYI.

[(Anonymous)]

Opposing abortion, in the Clinton-esque sense of wanting it to be safe, legal, available, and the absolute last resort, can be a nonreligious issue.

Insisting that abortion should never be allowed under any circumstances is irrational and totally indefensible - in short, religious.

[kali-kali.livejournal.com]

How is that religious? No mention of Jesus or Allah or Odin or whatnot in that statement.

Ideological, perhaps, Religious, no.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

From Mirriam-Webster, religious, definition of:

"relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity"

Now, I don't happen to share their ultimate reality, and think it's pretty disgusting that they're willing to force a child to go through such pain so that they can live with their worldview as intact as possible. Nonetheless, it really is a case of faithful devotion to their acknowledged ultimate reality--that life may be sacred, but dignity or choice or freedom or anything that might interfere with the incredibly profound role of female as incubator can all go to hell.

[missysedai.livejournal.com]

It is with the people in question.

(I'm aware of the numerous oppositions to abortion. I was a patient escort for several years and heard them all.)

[kali-kali.livejournal.com]

For the people in question, yes it could be. But not for all.

I oppose abortion (except for in the case of the life of the mother, because in that scenario two people would die, so saving one is the right choice) because I believe all human beings have one basic right, and that right is the right to life, and it trumps all other rights.

I do not believe anyone has the right to make the choice to take life away from another human being. Hence why I also oppose war, euthanasia and capital punishment. Suicide or doctor-assisted suicide I have no problem with, because if people wish to choose death for themselves, that is their own perogative, but I do not believe in choosing it for someone else unless they have clearly stated (with evidence) that they wish it.

[missysedai.livejournal.com]

I believe that if you're not the doctor or patient, you should mind your own damned business.

With that, I'll withdraw, because discussing it won't serve any purpose but to litter John's comments with an argument no one will be happy with.

[jsbowden.livejournal.com]

Me, I think we should be giving away vouchers for free abortions as prizes in Cracker Jack boxes.

Abortions for everyone!

Unless you can pass a basic exam showing you're not:

a) A complete idiot
b) Unable to provide even basic necessities for whatever reason
c) Under the age of legal majority

And as a bonus, some basic training in methods of behavior modification and how not to fuck up your kid in five easy ways wouldn't be bad while we're at it.

[torrain.livejournal.com]

> Place your bets now!

In a fit of optimism, I'm betting the ACLU's appeal goes through.

Please god.